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Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

christianqchung wrote: post #49
_2d30 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Undoubtedly the US embargo and its extension of potential sanctions to foreign entities which violate are in part causes of a weak economy. However, this is an incomplete picture. Cuba has essentially no market economy whatsoever. All evidence throughout history shows this is economic suicide and is undoubtedly an even larger cause of their issues. It's so bad that in the FT this week ( https://www.ft.com/content/9ca…

If Cuba is our ally, they're not going to be China's ally. See Vietnam, which we also had some rocky relations with. It's too late to change things with Cuba now though, Obama tried and failed, so Cuba will be in eternal decline until another revolution.

If the Florida based right wing Cubans ever die out or become less interested in politics, then there is a chance to hem relations, but as it is this is deeply tied with America political divisions ATM.

Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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Post by pragmomm »

serial_dev wrote: post #38
einszwei wrote: post #22

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/where-to-watch-the-debateand-... Sanctions on Cuba have strangled their economy and spread misery among the population. https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143112 US is almost alone in spearheading the embargo.

The economic model and decisions of Cuba is a terrible idea and could never work. To show you how confident we are in this, we will engineer the harshest economic hit job and we will sanction the sh out of them, and every other country that tries something similar. Respectfully, the US and its lackeys

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Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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Post by oldnetguy »

einszwei wrote: post #22

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/where-to-watch-the-debateand-... Sanctions on Cuba have strangled their economy and spread misery among the population. https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143112 US is almost alone in spearheading the embargo.

Cuba can trade with anyone else. They trade with Canada for heck sake.

They have the whole world, their economy shouldn't need us.

Let them work with China and see how well that works out

Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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Post by ketzo »

_2d30 wrote: post #34
lalaland1125 wrote: post #17

Cuba has been going through a crazy major decline ever since COVID. It's pretty rare for a mostly developed country to collapse into poverty without a war. Roughly 5% of the population is fleeing the island each year: https://miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cub...

> It's pretty rare for a mostly developed country to collapse into poverty without a war. Since when was Cuba, post Castro, anything other than impoverished?

That’s not fundamentally wrong, but you are missing the degree of change. Shit has gotten so bad, so fast, relative to what it was before.

Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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Post by portaouflop »

dkarras wrote: post #47
serial_dev wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The economic model and decisions of Cuba is a terrible idea and could never work. To show you how confident we are in this, we will engineer the harshest economic hit job and we will sanction the sh out of them, and every other country that tries something similar. Respectfully, the US and its lackeys

the point is, if your economic model cannot survive / adapt to the environment it is living in, is it viable? Cuba froze itself in time decades ago, is it just the embargoes? Why do they need capitalist trade to go a single step forward?

It’s the combination of the Castro family leeching off everything that they can plus the Floridians who are still salty about losing their rum factories etc who force the embargo - so it’s both being blocked by a major superpower and having an utterly corrupt government

Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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Post by portaouflop »

_2d30 wrote: post #50
christianqchung wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Cuba is our ally, they're not going to be China's ally. See Vietnam, which we also had some rocky relations with. It's too late to change things with Cuba now though, Obama tried and failed, so Cuba will be in eternal decline until another revolution.

Cuba wouldn't ally with the US in its current form. It's openly hostile to the US. It's like suggesting Venezuela allying with the US.

The Cuban gov would trade with the US if there was some way to end the sanctions and save face. But I don’t see that happening.

Openly hostile lmao it’s such a tiny insignificant island nation- I never understood why the US should be afraid of Cuba - they are just vengeful after losing assets in the revolution. They managed to stamp every single one out in Latin America but viva was defiant.

It’s all about ideology not an actual threat that Cuba would pose

Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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Post by pjmlp »

oldnetguy wrote: post #53
einszwei wrote: post #22

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/where-to-watch-the-debateand-... Sanctions on Cuba have strangled their economy and spread misery among the population. https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143112 US is almost alone in spearheading the embargo.

Cuba can trade with anyone else. They trade with Canada for heck sake. They have the whole world, their economy shouldn't need us. Let them work with China and see how well that works out

No they cannot, as US imposes sanction on any country that defies the embargo, so Cuba ends up trading with those that couldn't care less about US embargos.

Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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Post by _2d30 »

serial_dev wrote: post #38
einszwei wrote: post #22

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/where-to-watch-the-debateand-... Sanctions on Cuba have strangled their economy and spread misery among the population. https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143112 US is almost alone in spearheading the embargo.

The economic model and decisions of Cuba is a terrible idea and could never work. To show you how confident we are in this, we will engineer the harshest economic hit job and we will sanction the sh out of them, and every other country that tries something similar. Respectfully, the US and its lackeys

So you just made up a rationale for the embargo that's completely divorced from reality and then dunked on it? This would play great on Twitter or Reddit, you should post there as well.

The embargo doesn't exist because the US is correct in its assessment that Cuba's economic system won't succeed, an opinion shared by Cuba's largest trading partner: https://www.ft.com/content/9ca0a495-d5d9-4cc5-acf5-43f42a912...

Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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Post by portaouflop »

bpodgursky wrote: post #43
einszwei wrote: post #22

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/where-to-watch-the-debateand-... Sanctions on Cuba have strangled their economy and spread misery among the population. https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143112 US is almost alone in spearheading the embargo.

If the US is "almost alone", it shouldn't matter that the US isn't trading with Cuba. It's an island, there are plenty of countries they could trade with. Cuba is collapsing because of failed economic policies and the resulting emigration.

It’s both really
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