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Will the review assess overall mortality of the vehicles compared to similar cars, and overall mortality while FSD is in use?
Making these arguments from the standpoint of an engineer is counterproductive.
Governments should carry out comprehensive tests on a self-driving car's claimed capabilities. This is the same as cars without proven passenger safety (Euro NCAP) aren't allowed to be on roads carrying passengers.
Only the US government can allow corporations to beta test unproven technology on the public. Governments should carry out comprehensive tests on a self-driving car's claimed capabilities. This is the same as cars without proven passenger safety (Euro NCAP) aren't allowed to be on roads carrying passengers.
China and Russia do it too. It's not an excuse, but definitely not just the US.
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Did you scale your numbers in proportion of miles driven autonomously vs manually?
Yeah, that’d be the interesting figure: How many deaths per million miles driven? How does Tesla’s full self driving stack up against human drivers?
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Those numbers aren't all the fatalities associated with tesla cars; IE, you can't compare the 45K/year (roughly 1 per 100M miles driven) to the limited number of reports. What they are looking for is whether there are systematic issues with the design and implementation that make it unsafe.
Unsafe relative to what? Certainly not to normal human drivers in normal cars. Those are killing people left and right.
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Those numbers aren't all the fatalities associated with tesla cars; IE, you can't compare the 45K/year (roughly 1 per 100M miles driven) to the limited number of reports. What they are looking for is whether there are systematic issues with the design and implementation that make it unsafe.
Unsafe relative to what? Certainly not to normal human drivers in normal cars. Those are killing people left and right.
My Tesla routinely tries to kill me on absolutely normal California roads in normal sunny conditions, especially when there are cars parked on the side of the road (it often brakes thinking I'm about to crash into them, or even swerves into them thinking that's the "real" lane). Elon's Unsupervised FSD dreams are a good bit off. I do hope they happen though.
Why do you drive a car that routinely tries to kill you? That would put me right off. Can't you just turn off the autopilot?
How does it do X, Y, ooh Z works, etc...
> NHTSA said it was opening the inquiry after four reports of crashes where FSD was engaged during reduced roadway visibility like sun glare, fog, or airborne dust. A pedestrian was killed in Rimrock, Arizona, in November 2023 after being struck by a 2021 Tesla Model Y, NHTSA said. Another crash under investigation involved a reported injury > The probe covers 2016-2024 Model S and X vehicles with the optional system…
that's the wrong comparison
the correct comparison is the number of report crashes and fatalities for __unsupervised FSD__ miles driven (not counting Tesla pilot tests, but actual customers)
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Unsafe relative to what? Certainly not to normal human drivers in normal cars. Those are killing people left and right.
I don't think the intent is to compare it to normal human drivers, although having some level of estimate of accident/injury/death rates (to both the driver, passenger, and people outside the car) with FSD enabled/disabled would be very interesting.
I think our intent should be focused on where the fatalities are happening. To keep things comparable, we could maybe do 40,000 studies on distracted driving in normal cars for every one or two caused by Autopilot / FSD.
Alas, that's not where our priorities are.
Will the review assess overall mortality of the vehicles compared to similar cars, and overall mortality while FSD is in use?