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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by gtvwill »

bayindirh wrote: post #32
gtvwill wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux on desktop has been ready for years now, it absolutely shreds apple and microsofts offerings, ubuntu desktop is about as schmick as it gets regardless of your views of the parent company. Mac on the other hand is an absolute nightmare to administer for clients. Same with their phones. Printing from web browser on a Mac? Completely broken. Have to save everything to desktop and open it from there. It's an absolu…

> Printing from web browser on a Mac? Completely broken. Doing this more than a decade? Didn't see any brokenness to be honest. > Wanna use your 7 year old Mac to browse the web? Oh wait you can't because the os blocks it. Nope. My 2014 MBP is a happy camper and use it daily at home. No blocks whatsoever. > Linux on desktop has been ready for years now, it absolutely shreds apple and microsofts offerings That's true…

Man printing is broken on macs I've had a handful of callouts for exactly that lately on a ramge of different macs.

Same with print from iphones. Broken, and when it breaks you get zero ways to chase whats going wrong. Meanwhile every other device on site have zero problems.

I literally spend a large portion of my days dealing with these problems for a variety of clients on a variety of sites. It's at a point with Apple where I just flat out refuse the work unless their a really special client. Atleast if I have a problem on a Microsoft device for business I can call support and get a phone back from a tech usually within 24 hours. Can't get that from apple.

Last absolute head scratcher was syncing multiple Gmail accounts with a variety of passwords and passkeys to a single iCalendar. Turns out passkeys overwrite more than one Gmails settings in ios back to just its email and nerf all the others. Hot tip for anyone doing this don't ever use passkeys for that setup if doing multiple accounts. Not sure if it was Googles end on how their passkey is set out or apples end on how it interprets it but it was a 2.5 hour nightmare.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by lccerina »

eru wrote: post #31
phoe-krk wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The differences between governments and megacorps are dwindling and the two are becoming much more alike one another. We already live in global technofeudalism.

Alas, no. By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations. MNCs also don't force you to pay taxes or buy their products.

"MNC don't force you to pay taxes", well 30% fee on products bought, sorry "licensed", on their app stores seem like a tax to me

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by jwells89 »

threeseed wrote: post #9
mgoetzke wrote: post #2

it also leaks the audio of tabs before logging in. Even though I had disabled all 'restore' applications features, macos sometimes decides to 'start' browsers BEFORE logging in after a restart AND those start auto-playing audio from whatever was paused before the reboot (or many days before). Since then I went rather deep disabling that feature, but I never trusted it.

I have never heard of anyone with this issue. The only explanation is that you restarted whilst having the "Open All Previous Application" checkbox enabled. And yes it will launch processes after you have logged in but before the Desktop is shown. Either that you or you have some launch daemon that is opening a browser.

I’m very confident that it’s either this or the restore-after-crash feature that OP is seeing. I don’t think it’s anything specific to Safari, because I have never seen Safari opened before login when it’s not my default browser.

That said, there should probably be a checkbox in system settings to disable login “prewarming”.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by Jerrrrrrry »

lukan wrote: post #23
Jerrrrrrry wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They want their TCP/IP stack and safari browser hot and ready for their demanders of instant gratification. In the long run, they barter this goodwill for "Safari is shit" credit until they and Google force the internet until a browser-turned App-Play-Store war. Both companies win, and can blame the other company - all while incentivising anti-competition behavior and benefiting from their own organizational, yet alt…

"they fail to see the systematic risks" Or they also fail at providing a solution. Would you prefer diletantic government intervention in this area instead?

  >"they fail to see the systematic risks"
  Or they also fail at providing a solution.
Apple has no incentive to improve Safari. "It just works" is what their cultists paid to have the honor to parrot, and they enjoy the majority of web market share of people with actual wages and disposable income. That's why the sell culture, not their people's data (directly, yet).

Since it's not "Safari" that's broken (since iPhones cost a lot of money, they cant break), the users will lie blame at the fault of the web developers, since they had gotten cozy within the comfortable, flexible, expected behaviors of Chrome, having enjoyed a hiatus from IE11 EOL pollyfills and jquery.

Apple then made it easier to roll out an app than to grapple with the pitfalls, nuances, foot-guns, and gabbling documentation that Safari has carefully mal-compiled to shepherd both developers and their users into the Walled Garden.

It's just the browser wars, but with higher stakes. And Microsoft already won.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by handsclean »

The first boot after a macOS system update has long been bugged out. It launches a bunch of apps you didn’t even have open before updating, seems to be the 5-10 most recent apps you quit. Yes they were fully quit, yes I have the “resume” setting off. It also doesn’t do a resume, it launches them, i.e. tells them to create new windows, and it launches them before it finishes mounting disks, resulting in every update being followed by all my most used apps appearing out of nowhere and telling me all my config and data is gone. It doesn’t really matter, you just reboot again and you’re good, it’s just careless and makes the OS feel unstable. Maybe the firewall thing is unrelated, maybe it finally forces Apple to fix the bug, we’ll see.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by delfinom »

cryptoz wrote: post #19
mgoetzke wrote: post #2

it also leaks the audio of tabs before logging in. Even though I had disabled all 'restore' applications features, macos sometimes decides to 'start' browsers BEFORE logging in after a restart AND those start auto-playing audio from whatever was paused before the reboot (or many days before). Since then I went rather deep disabling that feature, but I never trusted it.

How is this possible? I wouldn’t have thought that it could open your applications without you logging in? How does it know who you are? How does it know which applications to open? If you’re not logged in yet, is is just logging in for you automatically but not showing you? Seems like a huge security bug. This isn’t being exploited? Wild stuff. Reminds me of when you could hear a FaceTime call coming through but if…

Vast majority of all laptop and even phone usage is single user. They could literally be doing

if macbook_has_only_one_account():

preloadapps()

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by pt_PT_guy »

bayindirh wrote: post #14
pt_PT_guy wrote: post #6

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Mhmm... A POSIX compliant OS which is bundled with a calibrated high gamut screen, low latency audio stack, and relatively high speed networking with good thread scheduling, great memory management and tremendous uptime numbers for a personal computer. ...a toy OS which becomes invisible most of the time for serious users indeed. I prefer Linux over anything else, but let's be real.

is POSIX complicance relevant anymore?

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by jwells89 »

lupusreal wrote: post #34
olyjohn wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had similar experiences with MacOS. I uncheck that goddamn box all the time and still it relaunches previously opened applications half the time. If my application or computer crashes, I don't want the crashy application to open up at startup again. MacOS isn't perfect.

OSX is particularly lousy with remembering user preferences and configuration. I quit using it after I grew sick of raging at it forgetting what applications want different files to open with. I've never had this sort of problem on Linux.

In my experience, when filetype associations change under macOS it’s because some app I’ve used recently has made those changes without asking me.

I know some people are tired of all the prompts but I don’t think apps should be able to change those associations without first prompting the user.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by bayindirh »

pt_PT_guy wrote: post #57
bayindirh wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mhmm... A POSIX compliant OS which is bundled with a calibrated high gamut screen, low latency audio stack, and relatively high speed networking with good thread scheduling, great memory management and tremendous uptime numbers for a personal computer. ...a toy OS which becomes invisible most of the time for serious users indeed. I prefer Linux over anything else, but let's be real.

is POSIX complicance relevant anymore?

I write everything to run on macOS and Linux, so yes. At least for me.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by Jerrrrrrry »

eru wrote: post #31
phoe-krk wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The differences between governments and megacorps are dwindling and the two are becoming much more alike one another. We already live in global technofeudalism.

Alas, no. By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations. MNCs also don't force you to pay taxes or buy their products.

>MNCs also don't force you to pay taxes or buy their products.

yeah, because the only kid bigger, told them to knock it off, as to not hamper their own racket.

If you think a mega-corp won't go AWOL and attempt a Banana Republic/Dutch East India Company again, but with more proxies, lawyers, SAM's, and corrupt officials to "YAS" them into integration, then you really haven't been paying attention to what globalization is really about.

The US had to ask for money back from the oil barons.

Bezos/Musk/Zuck/{untold billionaires} will have much better bargaining chips when they possess the monopoly on surveillance, money, and influence, and have proxy chairs at the U.N.

And I bet those countries would be better run in every way.

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