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Medical student's apparent celiac disease responded to giardiasis treatment

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Re: Medical student's apparent celiac disease responded to giardiasis treatment

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I also went through this for 6 years. A guy on YouTube will help called Pain Free You. Recent studies suggest bad bacteria can continue to flourish if we are chronically stressed (which symptoms like this easily cause). Huge correlation between stress and flare ups for me. In the short term whilst you work on the mind-body aspect, I recommend taking Digestive Enzymes with each meal along with a Betain HCL + Pepsin su…

Which brand did you end up using for the enzymes and supplement? It's my understanding that there's sometimes significant differences between brands because it's unregulated so I'm curious about the ones that did work for you. I've been diagnosed with IBS for 10 years but that's hardly any help, I did notice that reducing fat and reducing wheat seems to help with my symptoms. I've tried a lot of different probiotics…

I started out with Solgar brand. I found digestive enzymes with Ox Bile to be best and the Betaine I look for minimum 350mg Betaine HCL and minimum 50mg of Pepsin as that appears important to managing symptoms. Probiotics I found just make me feel worse.

Re: Medical student's apparent celiac disease responded to giardiasis treatment

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Thank you. I'm also on this road. Stress, and inflammation in the body. What helped me was extra hemp-protein powder, forest-berries (=prebiotic) and keeping away from milk, gluten, oat, sugar, alcohol, CITRIC-ACID (this is everywhere! and if you google it, you find that it is causing brain fog like hangover) And quite a lot of C-vitamin. keeping down the inflammation with tea made from ginger, tumeric and other herb…

Sounds like you've identified that histamine is an issue for you. Vitamin C will clear serum histamine, citric acid is bad since it's a fermented byproduct of black mold (likely triggers histamine release from impurities). In my IBS journey I had a period where I had very strong histamine intolerance, and vitamin C (in the form of QBC vitamin, quercetin + bromelain + vitamin C) really helped stabilize me. Histamine i…

Can confirm I found help in Solgar Quercetin. I’m convinced it’s all stress related though and the stress is causing imbalances in the body.

Re: Medical student's apparent celiac disease responded to giardiasis treatment

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So this is actually shockingly similar to something that happened to me. I did a lot of back country travel with sketchy water and developed something close to dairy intolerant for more than 10 years to the point I wasn't sure if I had always had it. Eventually I got lucky on a test (for E. Coli not giardia) and the treatment was to go to nuclear on my intestines. That week wasn't fun. Now i can eat ice cream and dai…

By "go nuclear" I'm assuming you mean antibiotics? That's the standard treatment for methanogen overgrowth now, prescribing oral neomycin which is some really strong stuff but apparently the only thing that seems to wipe out archaea.

It was years ago so I don't remember the exact antibiotics, but the side effects were intense.

Re: Medical student's apparent celiac disease responded to giardiasis treatment

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I've been looking for relief from abdominal pain, bloating, poorly formed movements, and breathing problems for well over a year now. It started right after a round of antibiotics, which strikes me as a very clear cause-and-effect situation involving some sort of microbial imbalance. I don't think restrictive diets are a great idea, because I want to stay healthy otherwise and ultimately restore that balance, but cur…

You need to prove your knowledge to doctors contextually, and even then it's much easier if they are not actively giving you a consultation. Doctors don't respond well to randomly dropping theories on them. If you respond to something by dropping an inappropriate paper for the illness or ask about rare issues when common ones would fit they'll stop listening. Most of the people a doctor gets either almost can't read…

A technique I have a lot of success with is asking why doesn't change their opinion. It leaves the doctor in a position of expertise and authority, so they're usually happy to spend the time teaching you. Normally I learn a lot about some gap in my medical knowledge, and sometimes the additional reflection changes the doctor's opinion and gives me better outcomes.

Re: Medical student's apparent celiac disease responded to giardiasis treatment

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Wild. So how exactly did cutting gluten out of his diet mask his symptoms that effectively? Does gluten somehow feed/provoke the giardia? Or were the dietary changes mostly irrelevant?

One confounder with gluten is that every single type of bread except well produced sourdough is high fodmap. And fodmaps can produce a lot of digestive symptoms.

Celiac is more well known than fodmap issues, and you'd have apparent causality. Eat bread, feel bad. Don't eat bread, feel better.

But not perfect, as many other foods are high fodmap.

Anyway it turns out those with giardisis are sensitive to high fodmap foods so perhaps that could explain it. (Surprisingly also sensitive to low fodmap foods)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4653841/

Re: Medical student's apparent celiac disease responded to giardiasis treatment

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For testing: As the article says, find a doctor that has experience with it and ask for an antigen test. The below capacity thing can be very real, supposedly a different parasite in the us is responsible for people in southern us having the stereotype of lazy. In that case it could infect you through your feet from tainted soil. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/how-a-worm-gave-the-so...

Thanks, I'm certainly going to try that. I was more asking if anyone has experience getting tests done properly in light of their low accuracy. From what I understand, an antigen test is still a stool test, meaning they are only 50% accurate. As a commenter on this post shared, managing the health system is challenging in this area. I just did a bit of googling, and found a couple of leads here: > CDC recommends coll…

> And if dismissed, perhaps there are commercial products available at the consumer level.

You can walk into Tractor Supply with a $20 bill and walk out with a horse-sized tube of fenbendazole paste and a few bucks in change.

Re: Medical student's apparent celiac disease responded to giardiasis treatment

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So this is actually shockingly similar to something that happened to me. I did a lot of back country travel with sketchy water and developed something close to dairy intolerant for more than 10 years to the point I wasn't sure if I had always had it. Eventually I got lucky on a test (for E. Coli not giardia) and the treatment was to go to nuclear on my intestines. That week wasn't fun. Now i can eat ice cream and dai…

Interesting, I have some kind weird dairy intolerance that isn't just lactose intolerance (I have that too), but some kind of sensitivity. When I cut out all dairy my weight jumped 25% in 6 months, and I was no longer underweight or feeling chronically sick. I had cut out lactose heavy dairy years earlier (soft cheeses, milks), but still would have hard cheeses and lactose-free products.

I have no idea what is causing this and my doctors have just shrugged. I have no idea where to even start with this.

Re: Medical student's apparent celiac disease responded to giardiasis treatment

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post #30
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For testing: As the article says, find a doctor that has experience with it and ask for an antigen test. The below capacity thing can be very real, supposedly a different parasite in the us is responsible for people in southern us having the stereotype of lazy. In that case it could infect you through your feet from tainted soil. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/how-a-worm-gave-the-so...

Thanks, I'm certainly going to try that. I was more asking if anyone has experience getting tests done properly in light of their low accuracy. From what I understand, an antigen test is still a stool test, meaning they are only 50% accurate. As a commenter on this post shared, managing the health system is challenging in this area. I just did a bit of googling, and found a couple of leads here: > CDC recommends coll…

> From what I understand, an antigen test is still a stool test, meaning they are only 50% accurate.

“Accuracy” is too vague. You want to find out what the sensitivity and specificity are.

https://ebn.bmj.com/content/23/1/2

For instance, a rapid covid test might have low sensitivity but high specificity. Meaning if it’s negative, you could still have the disease. But if it’s positive, you’re almost certainly sick. Ie the false negative rate is a lot higher than the false positive rate.

Re: Medical student's apparent celiac disease responded to giardiasis treatment

#59
post #24

I've been looking for relief from abdominal pain, bloating, poorly formed movements, and breathing problems for well over a year now. It started right after a round of antibiotics, which strikes me as a very clear cause-and-effect situation involving some sort of microbial imbalance. I don't think restrictive diets are a great idea, because I want to stay healthy otherwise and ultimately restore that balance, but cur…

I also went through this for 6 years. A guy on YouTube will help called Pain Free You. Recent studies suggest bad bacteria can continue to flourish if we are chronically stressed (which symptoms like this easily cause). Huge correlation between stress and flare ups for me. In the short term whilst you work on the mind-body aspect, I recommend taking Digestive Enzymes with each meal along with a Betain HCL + Pepsin su…

I really appreciate your post. I am still on this journey, and have been for almost a decade. It will not break my will. Digestive enzymes are one of the next things that I will be trying -- I noticed that small amounts of pineapple with my evening meal seem to quell some GI distress.

Anyways, I'm at work now, so hopefully my reply will serve as a nice bookmark to come back to this thread.

I'm tired of my doctors and specialists dismissing all of my attempts at curing myself. They are truly only interested in minimizing symptoms, and NONE of them believe there is a root cause to CURE.

Re: Medical student's apparent celiac disease responded to giardiasis treatment

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If you're interested in this topic, look up Dr. Kevin Cahill and his work in tropical medicine.

Sadly, situations like these are far more common than people think. My wife studied abroad in India in 2004 and returned with persistent stomach issues. After seeing multiple doctors (gastroenterologists, infectious disease specialists, etc.) and undergoing countless tests (stool samples, endoscopy, colonoscopy), no one could figure out what was wrong. One doctor labeled it IBS (a catch-all diagnosis), and another suggested anti-depressants, citing the side effect of diarrhea to treat her constipation.

Someone recommended she see Dr. Kevin Cahill, who specialized in tropical diseases. He charged $500 in cash and did all the tests himself, including a sigmoidoscopy. Unlike typical practices, he personally examined the samples. After six months of suffering, we got a diagnosis the next day: amoebiasis. With the right medication, she began to improve within weeks.

Dr. Cahill, who passed away in 2022 (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/17/nyregion/kevin-m-cahill-d...), had a near-legendary reputation because of his success rate. He was one of the last U.S. doctors to conduct tests and analyze samples himself, a practice that gave him a much higher detection rate for parasitic infections.

Ten years later, we had a similar issue. My wife fell ill again, and despite numerous tests, nothing was found. We went back to Dr. Cahill. Once again, he called the next day with a diagnosis—this time whipworm and giardia. I tested positive too, despite having no symptoms. Dr. Cahill explained that these infections can easily pass between spouses but often don't affect children.

He lamented that modern medicine has drifted away from these hands-on diagnostic practices. In the latest edition of his book, he even published a study showing that major medical institutions only detected parasitic infections in about 50% of known positive samples. The main issue? Sample degradation during transit, disinterested lab technicians, and improper detection methods.

Dr. Cahill was critical of procedures like colonoscopies for detecting protozoa or small helminths. He explained that the bowel-cleansing laxatives used before the procedure wipe out traces of the parasites, leaving the doctor with an inflamed but “clean” view. It’s no surprise that issues return shortly after.

I believe that a significant number of people in developed countries may unknowingly live with parasitic infections, from whipworms to giardia to toxoplasmosis. A single instance of poor hygiene in a restaurant or undercooked food is all it takes. Ironically, poorer countries often have better detection tools due to reliance on old-school methods.

Considering AI's success in areas like breast cancer detection, it seems like there’s a huge untapped potential for AI in diagnosing parasitic infections, especially given the inconsistency and difficulty in manual detection. This is a pervasive issue that cuts across social status, and many infected individuals will never know unless they get lucky with the right doctor.

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