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Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by freedomben »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #43

What I want is quality to the level of flagship android phones or the iphone with the ability to plug it in to a keyboard, mouse and screen and have it function as my laptop as well. One single integrated experience. I think everyone wants this. We have the technology we have the demand, it's just companies who make the high quality phones want to completely lock down the market. You would think the free market would…

I agree I would love this option, but how much would you be willing to pay for such a device? Would you pay $800? $1,000? $1,400?

That's where I have a hard time. I would pay that kind of money, but I would need something well polished and fully capable of being a "daily driver." I think many people are in the same place I am, and thus we have a real chicken and egg problem here.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by ninetyninenine »

freedomben wrote: post #51
ninetyninenine wrote: post #43

What I want is quality to the level of flagship android phones or the iphone with the ability to plug it in to a keyboard, mouse and screen and have it function as my laptop as well. One single integrated experience. I think everyone wants this. We have the technology we have the demand, it's just companies who make the high quality phones want to completely lock down the market. You would think the free market would…

I agree I would love this option, but how much would you be willing to pay for such a device? Would you pay $800? $1,000? $1,400? That's where I have a hard time. I would pay that kind of money, but I would need something well polished and fully capable of being a "daily driver." I think many people are in the same place I am, and thus we have a real chicken and egg problem here.

I'd pay up to 3k if it was quality delivered the experience of a top quality phone and a top quality laptop.

I mean the technology to do this is already here. If apple or samsung wanted to do this... they can.

Right now I use an iphone, but if samsung made a phone that felt like say linux, windows or macos when in laptop mode... I would switch off iphone in a heartbeat.

And i mean it has to feel like macOS. None of that bloat is acceptable. SteamOS actually pulls this off but in a gaming form factor.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

#54

Post by numpad0 »

zamalek wrote: post #33

Very tempting. What is the deal with play store integrity, i.e. is wallet (and some banking apps) supported?

Why does this question always come up? There's zero technical reasons you can't electronically pay with all-open software stack e.g. Ethereum on GNU/Linux, it's pure matter of trust.

With currently available payment standards, it's like asking for a live credit card with someone else's private key and an open debug port, all at the same time. Things don't work that way.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

#55

Post by NewJazz »

neilv wrote: post #35

$500 price point is a lot for an open source enthusiast phone, especially one unknown. The Pine64 PinePhone is $150-$200, with similar hardware provenance, but various open source projects that might at least give better software longevity and software trustworthiness. https://pine64.com/product-category/pinephone/ An additional consideration: as much as we like and respect our global colleagues, unfortunately I coul…

The original pinephone was an allwinner soc that had like 4x a53 cores, a weak GPU, and pretty meh ram. This phone has a fairly modern mediatek soc with a78 cores, a fairly modern Mali GPU, ufs storage, and lpddrx5 ram.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

#56

Post by freedomben »

INTPenis wrote: post #48

Why not use the open source Android? I just feel like it would be more mature. And yes I like many others here have been trying Linux phones for 10+ years, since N900. Your phone just has to work, it can't crash because you get a call, or hide buttons because the UI is confused by orientation. IT MUST WORK. So that's why I wonder why people don't just use Android.

Open source Android has been increasingly neglected by Google, and is (essentially) unusable at this point unless you are ok with the look and feel of very early Android. It also isn't likely to improve as Google's strategy seems to be to move toward more and more proprietaryness.

I think a much more sustainable approach is to focus on existing Linux distros and get them more usable on phones.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by numpad0 »

freedomben wrote: post #51
ninetyninenine wrote: post #43

What I want is quality to the level of flagship android phones or the iphone with the ability to plug it in to a keyboard, mouse and screen and have it function as my laptop as well. One single integrated experience. I think everyone wants this. We have the technology we have the demand, it's just companies who make the high quality phones want to completely lock down the market. You would think the free market would…

I agree I would love this option, but how much would you be willing to pay for such a device? Would you pay $800? $1,000? $1,400? That's where I have a hard time. I would pay that kind of money, but I would need something well polished and fully capable of being a "daily driver." I think many people are in the same place I am, and thus we have a real chicken and egg problem here.

Microsoft at one point was running full NT on ARM on phones. I think they could've done it within such price range, but didn't.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

#58

Post by krunck »

rendaw wrote: post #22
vngzs wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's "fury phone": > Furious Support from the FuriOS team

They could say it's pronounced "Wendigo" and people would still read it "Furry".

If people read "fury" as "furry" then that's a literacy problem.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by freedomben »

mmh0000 wrote: post #40

I want to like it... But, I've been bitten too many times by expensive Linux phones (Oh Nokia N900, how I wanted to love you. but you couldn't even make phone calls without threatening to crash). It's a little weird that there are very few details on this thing. Notably, one of my #1 concerns when looking for a new phone today is a good camera. And all I can find on the camera is "it's 50MP!!! " But how do actual, no…

> It also seems to be "weird" Linux, like Maemo was for the N900. I don't want weird, custom-built stuff that will be forgotten about in 12 months. Just give me a standard Debain/Fedora/Whatever and an unlocked bootloader to reinstall with what I want.

I wouldn't say it's a "weird Linux as it's mostly Debian and it's fully rebuildable by the user from the open source scripts[1]. I would likewise love a phone that was just mainline Fedora, but given many of the current challenges around ARM devices with linux, I fully understand why a "custom-built" OS is needed. As long as it's as light-weight as possible and is open source/rebuildable by the user, I think it's a good compromise given the realities around the platform.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41840036

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

#60

Post by rvense »

numpad0 wrote: post #54
zamalek wrote: post #33

Very tempting. What is the deal with play store integrity, i.e. is wallet (and some banking apps) supported?

Why does this question always come up? There's zero technical reasons you can't electronically pay with all-open software stack e.g. Ethereum on GNU/Linux, it's pure matter of trust. With currently available payment standards, it's like asking for a live credit card with someone else's private key and an open debug port, all at the same time. Things don't work that way.

What kind of reply is this? None of the people I want to give money will take Ethereum.
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