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I wish I could say I'm surprised they didn't even attempt to hide it with a name change, but after the 'her' incident I'm not that surprised.
Swarm, a new agent framework by OpenAI
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Re: Swarm, a new agent framework by OpenAI
#52Has anyone seen AI agents working in production at scale? It doesn't matter if you're using Swarm, langchain, or any other orchestration framework if the underlying issue is that AI agents too slow, too expensive, and too unreliable. I wrote about AI agent hype vs. reality[0] a while ago, and I don't think it has changed yet. [0] https://www.kadoa.com/blog/ai-agents-hype-vs-reality
I want hear more about this. I'm playing with langroid, crew.ai, and dspy and they all layer so many abstractions on top of a shifting LLM landscape. I can't believe anyone is really using them in the way their readme goals profess.
Re: Swarm, a new agent framework by OpenAI
#53There's absolutely nothing new in this framework that you won't find in a dozen other agent frameworks on github.
Which ones do you suggest considering?
Re: Swarm, a new agent framework by OpenAI
#54Has anyone seen AI agents working in production at scale? It doesn't matter if you're using Swarm, langchain, or any other orchestration framework if the underlying issue is that AI agents too slow, too expensive, and too unreliable. I wrote about AI agent hype vs. reality[0] a while ago, and I don't think it has changed yet. [0] https://www.kadoa.com/blog/ai-agents-hype-vs-reality
Agents can work in production, but usually only when they are closer to "workflows" that are very targeted to a specific use case.
Re: Swarm, a new agent framework by OpenAI
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Here is more context about OP:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/15sq2v1/d_...
Re: Swarm, a new agent framework by OpenAI
#56Looks kinda poorly written: not even a single async present, print debugging, deepcopy all over the place. Such a shame that there's nothing to replace Langchain with other than writing it all from the ground up yourself.
I hold no love for openai, but to be fair (and balanced) they put this right in the start of their readme. > Swarm is currently an experimental sample framework intended to explore ergonomic interfaces for multi-agent systems. It is not intended to be used in production, and therefore has no official support. (This also means we will not be reviewing PRs or issues!) It’s literally not meant to replace anything. IMO t…
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A classic of self-promotion. So, with your own criteria, technically, we can say also you “copied?" the name, concept, style of this previous application developed by the Santa Fe Institute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swarm_(simulation)
Re: Swarm, a new agent framework by OpenAI
#58Has anyone seen AI agents working in production at scale? It doesn't matter if you're using Swarm, langchain, or any other orchestration framework if the underlying issue is that AI agents too slow, too expensive, and too unreliable. I wrote about AI agent hype vs. reality[0] a while ago, and I don't think it has changed yet. [0] https://www.kadoa.com/blog/ai-agents-hype-vs-reality
The problem with agents is divergence. Very quickly, an ensemble of agents will start doing their own things and it’s impossible to get something that consistently gets to your desired state.
There are a whole class of problems that do not require low-latency. But not having consistency makes them pretty useless.
Frameworks don’t solve that. You’ll probably need some sort of ground-truth injection at every sub-agent level. Ie: you just need data.
Totally agree with you. Unreliability is the thing that needs solving first.
Re: Swarm, a new agent framework by OpenAI
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Isn't their project called Swarm and yours called Swarms?
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Aren't you this clown? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41818961