I'll never buy another Nintendo game or console again.
Everyone says that, but I don't see them struggling to sell consoles...
Nintendo isn't just attacking emulators [video]
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
The interesting question to me is how piracy (or unlicensed downloads) affects the company. In many cases, it seems like it has little effect at all. Are people really going to stop subscribing to Switch Online because NES ROMs are readily available for emulators? What I think might (?) have some impact on Nintendo is downloading Switch games for execution on competing handhelds like the Steam Deck.
Yuzu and Ryujinx are the real threats to its business as a number of highly anticipated game titles have been leaked and pirated several days (if not weeks) before their releases. This is not acceptable for both the developers and legit purchasers. I actually suspect that the recent Zelda title leak (2 weeks before its release) was the main motivation of recent takedown of Ryujinx.
> a number of highly anticipated game titles have been leaked and pirated several days (if not weeks) before their releases
Do they ever find out which stores or developers are leaking the games? Maybe they should have better control over how they ship new games to stores if they insist on shipping physical media...
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#54These days you can load up almost the entire history of gaming on a dozen different PC handhelds, choose from a thriving Android ecosystem of less-powerful but cheaper handhelds, and run emulators on iPhones and Android phones. Their walled garden is on the brink of ruin, unencumbered hardware and software have surpassed what they offer. I don't think it's existential yet but if they don't have a digital buffet ready…
And the IP laws as they stand right now can kill off all of that software, especially with aggressive addition of DRM and private stores which police existence of these kind of perservation efforts. Remember that Apple had to be forced to even think about allowing emulators on their platforms by the EU and even then they aggressively block Americans from being able to access them.
> And the IP laws as they stand right now can kill off all of that software
Right but laws are only as good as their capability to enforce.
If I were to start an emulation project today I would mask my identity and try to do a better job of it than the silk road guy.
It's a shame ryujinx and yuzu were functionality killed when Nintendo got to the founding developers. There's contributions from other devs but I guess like with a lot of FOSS there's often just one person upon which the entire stack survives. Maybe the biggest projects like Linux and python can survive without their BDL's, but these emulators certainly haven't been able to, and that makes me sad.
I would love to take up the mantle of one of these but I don't know the first thing about emulation programming.
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I think they’re trying to prevent people from developing hardware alternatives to Nintendo Switch, next logical step after stable emulators. Which basically proves Nintendo has little to no moat apart from laws preventing their executables from being run elsewhere.
> Which basically proves Nintendo has little to no moat apart from laws preventing their executables from being run elsewhere. "They have little to no moat apart from copyright law protecting their IPs" There, I rephrased it for you. It is actually one hell of a moat.
Right but all you're doing is demonstrating how silly it really is.
For something like 20,000 years we were all shared owners of our legends and stories, and recently that's changed. It doesn't make sense to me that the kids that grew up on pokemon are prevented by law from making their own stories, art, and games about this shared cultural history.
This idea that the corporation that spawned the thing "owns" the idea is absurd. The creation is borne of the input of our culture, the output belongs to the culture. If you wanna do a capitalism in there 20 years should be more than enough time to do so. 70 years or whatever the USA is at now is absurd, madness.
Public domain "IP" had lead to phenomenal art that's been capitalistically profitable. Sherlock Holmes, multiple profitable movies, tv shows, and videogames. Greek mythology, multiple award winning videogames and movies, same for Norse mythology.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Which basically proves Nintendo has little to no moat apart from laws preventing their executables from being run elsewhere. "They have little to no moat apart from copyright law protecting their IPs" There, I rephrased it for you. It is actually one hell of a moat.
Right but all you're doing is demonstrating how silly it really is. For something like 20,000 years we were all shared owners of our legends and stories, and recently that's changed. It doesn't make sense to me that the kids that grew up on pokemon are prevented by law from making their own stories, art, and games about this shared cultural history. This idea that the corporation that spawned the thing "owns" the ide…
Yes. I, too, hate copyright laws as they are. They are anathema to human creativity, which always thrived on reimagining and adapting existing things into new things.
Those laws still exist irrespective of how recent they are in relation to human existence however, and they are very much enforced by the powers that be, to the benefit of capital holders. Saying that it gives Nintendo "little to no moat" is a ridiculous statement.
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#57I got a C&D from them 20+ years ago for hosting a ROM site. That's fair enough. I complied. But this seems ridiculous. What if they're plugging an 8-BIT NES to an adapter and into a capture card? The whole thing seems silly as I don't see it's costing them money. But it's their product they can do what they want.
For a whole lot of software companies, the main competitor is the old version of the software. Same for Nintendo: Newer games might be nicer to look at, but old games are just as much fun. So working older copies of their games do cost them money, and they'd rather see them disappear.
Indeed. This is a bit aprocryphal but I believe to recall reading about them attempting to shut down second-hand video game shops using legal threats somewhere in the 90s?
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
A large part of the US economy depends on IP law, including copyright; they're not going to suddenly abandon it. They could, however, shorten the terms to much more reasonable lengths. It wouldn't hurt the US economy to shorten copyright terms to 50 years, for instance. If they shortened them to 30 years, it would have no real effect on the software industry, though Nintendo would be pissed. I don't think Microsoft w…
> If they shortened them to 30 years, it would have no real effect on the software industry, though Nintendo would be pissed. I don't think Microsoft would care much about people passing around copies of MS-DOS 3.3. Well Windows 95 is coming up soon on its 30th... (and come to think of it MS already open sourced MS-DOS "4.0" for any retro-masochists who might want it.[1]) I'm sure MS Word and Excel must have improved…
Different company but if I ever got serious about doing graphics/photo editing again I might actually prefer a dedicated ~2010-era CS installation on a virtualized legacy box over anything that either Adobe or the rest of the market has to offer today. CS4~6 felt pretty "done". Creative Cloud still sucks.
Surely that's a gaping hole in the market waiting to be filled?
Re: Nintendo isn't just attacking emulators [video]
#59I got a C&D from them 20+ years ago for hosting a ROM site. That's fair enough. I complied. But this seems ridiculous. What if they're plugging an 8-BIT NES to an adapter and into a capture card? The whole thing seems silly as I don't see it's costing them money. But it's their product they can do what they want.
For a whole lot of software companies, the main competitor is the old version of the software. Same for Nintendo: Newer games might be nicer to look at, but old games are just as much fun. So working older copies of their games do cost them money, and they'd rather see them disappear.
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Do they really get to do whatever they like forever with e.g. games and consoles they neither sell nor maintain anymore? The NES was discontinued in 95, that was nearly 3 decades ago. I don't think they should have the right to prevent hackers to emulate it and share their findings. Current consoles, yeah maybe, but even then the question would be why they should get a monopoly on the games developed for their platfo…
> I don't think they should have the right to prevent hackers to emulate it and share their findings They do not. Emulation is legal. However it is worth considering that: 0) NES Classic was sold as recently as 2018 1) Nintendo currently rent out NES games as part of Switch online 2) Copyright law ("lifetime" + 70 years) is on Nintendo's side for games themselves 3) Fair use can be a defense against infringement in s…
NES Classic only supported 30 built-in games, with no official way to purchase or download more.