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Ants learned to farm fungi during a mass extinction

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Re: Ants learned to farm fungi during a mass extinction

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post #41

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Earth: Human population: 8.2 billion humans. Ant population: 20 quadrillion ants. I'm not sure they need to take over the world - it looks like it is already theirs.

But what's their GDP?

No ant has ever raised a series A.

Re: Ants learned to farm fungi during a mass extinction

#52
post #36

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I get the "everyone knows what was meant" approach... but not everyone knows.

What the general public considers dinosaurs has no overlap with the existing animals that scientists consider dinosaurs. While technically correct, it’s not useful nomenclature for public discussion.

The audience of Ars isn't "general" and the usage wasn't colloquial. The article is about evolution and the pressures that caused the adaptation. It would have been nice if the author had demonstrated a bit more knowledge of the topic. Its a mistake that grows less forgivable the more years that pass. Hell, I recall the days when people frequently called whales fish. That wouldn't fly in article about evolution now, and neither should this.

Re: Ants learned to farm fungi during a mass extinction

#53

This is awesome. We could do the same. Those oyster mushroom drones got me thinking. With fungus we could build perpetual motion machines to generate infinite energy or food. Just like the ants.

I don't understand the downvotes. There's tech potential with fungus. We can see drones controlled by fungus: https://www.popsci.com/technology/fungus-robot/ If they generate power in response to sunlight, we could organize the drones in a way to generate solar power with a turbine or something similar.

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Re: Ants learned to farm fungi during a mass extinction

#54
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the general public considers dinosaurs has no overlap with the existing animals that scientists consider dinosaurs. While technically correct, it’s not useful nomenclature for public discussion.

The audience of Ars isn't "general" and the usage wasn't colloquial. The article is about evolution and the pressures that caused the adaptation. It would have been nice if the author had demonstrated a bit more knowledge of the topic. Its a mistake that grows less forgivable the more years that pass. Hell, I recall the days when people frequently called whales fish. That wouldn't fly in article about evolution now,…

Dinosaur literally means ‘terrible lizard’. It was originally coined as a description for the large, extinct, giant lizards. T-Rex, etc.

That it has later come to encompass things like seagulls is more a bait and switch on the public, than the public being idiots.

You might as well beat up on someone for calling Pluto a planet. Oh wait, it technically is again? My bad. Oh wait, it’s technically a dwarf planet. My mistake again!

Clearly, I’m the one who is an idiot, and it has nothing to do with experts causing confusion because it gets them headlines/justifies their existence and makes them feel superior to everyone else.

Re: Ants learned to farm fungi during a mass extinction

#56
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The audience of Ars isn't "general" and the usage wasn't colloquial. The article is about evolution and the pressures that caused the adaptation. It would have been nice if the author had demonstrated a bit more knowledge of the topic. Its a mistake that grows less forgivable the more years that pass. Hell, I recall the days when people frequently called whales fish. That wouldn't fly in article about evolution now,…

Dinosaur literally means ‘terrible lizard’. It was originally coined as a description for the large, extinct, giant lizards. T-Rex, etc. That it has later come to encompass things like seagulls is more a bait and switch on the public, than the public being idiots. You might as well beat up on someone for calling Pluto a planet. Oh wait, it technically is again? My bad. Oh wait, it’s technically a dwarf planet . My mi…

Bait and switch? Idiots? We are just saying we expect more from science communicators. Adding "non-avian" before the word "dinosaurs" wouldn't have made the article inaccessible to folks who haven't internalized the whole notion of clades.

Re: Ants learned to farm fungi during a mass extinction

#57
post #41

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But what's their GDP?

Maybe their life is better than ours because they don't sorry about number goes up.

Their (individual ants) life is not better than ours, because they often die horribly for the greater good.

Their (ants as a society) life IS better because they are willing to sacrifice themselves for the rest of their society, mostly unconditionally.

Re: Ants learned to farm fungi during a mass extinction

#58
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dinosaur literally means ‘terrible lizard’. It was originally coined as a description for the large, extinct, giant lizards. T-Rex, etc. That it has later come to encompass things like seagulls is more a bait and switch on the public, than the public being idiots. You might as well beat up on someone for calling Pluto a planet. Oh wait, it technically is again? My bad. Oh wait, it’s technically a dwarf planet . My mi…

Bait and switch? Idiots? We are just saying we expect more from science communicators. Adding "non-avian" before the word "dinosaurs" wouldn't have made the article inaccessible to folks who haven't internalized the whole notion of clades.

Funny you skipped over all my actual examples, eh? How are seagulls ‘terrible lizards’?

Isn’t the public perception the actually more honest one?

Re: Ants learned to farm fungi during a mass extinction

#59
post #45

In the case of the zombie ants, the fungus farms the ants

The zombie qualifier might not be needed. The recent book "The Light Eaters" delves slightly into the theoretical frameworks that reverse the causality of agriculture.

What does it mean for ants to "learn?" Did the fungi "teach" them? How did the fungi "learn" to "teach?"

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/196774338-the-light-eate...

Re: Ants learned to farm fungi during a mass extinction

#60

This is awesome. We could do the same. Those oyster mushroom drones got me thinking. With fungus we could build perpetual motion machines to generate infinite energy or food. Just like the ants.

I don't understand the downvotes. There's tech potential with fungus. We can see drones controlled by fungus: https://www.popsci.com/technology/fungus-robot/ If they generate power in response to sunlight, we could organize the drones in a way to generate solar power with a turbine or something similar.

Maybe due to "to generate infinite energy?" To the extent that you might mean "capture solar or other energy sources into more usable forms" I don't think you are necessarily wrong, but the phrasing does sound like "perpetual motion machine."
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