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Re: What the heck is going on with WordPress?

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Post by bawolff »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #23
nl wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But access to the autoupdates infrastructure isn't part of that deal. If wp-engine want to change customers for access to that it's not unreasonable to expect a contribution.

People are conflating two things. One is contributing back, which is not required by any license and second is rate limits

If they just implemented rate limits (in a fair fashion) like a normal person, i don't think anyone would complain.

I think the big issue is the way they went about this feels a bit like extortion.

Re: What the heck is going on with WordPress?

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Post by bawolff »

fenomas wrote: post #41

Separate from anything else, Automattic's messaging around this is horrendous - I've only heard their side of the dispute, and they've convinced me they're in the wrong. Including TFA, everything I've seen from their camp is a hodge-podge of conflicting claims: they say WPE isn't obligated to contribute anything, but also they're taking action because they haven't. Then they say access to wordpress.org is something t…

> Then there's a trademark dispute involved somehow - which seems to be their only actionable claim, but has no apparent connection to the stuff they're angry about, or what they want to change.

Its not just that it is unrelated. It also seems very weak. Like they are trying to claim the letters WP as a trademark? IANAL but i strongly suspect that wouldn't fly in court.

Re: What the heck is going on with WordPress?

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Post by [deleted] »

bawolff wrote: post #51
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are conflating two things. One is contributing back, which is not required by any license and second is rate limits

If they just implemented rate limits (in a fair fashion) like a normal person, i don't think anyone would complain. I think the big issue is the way they went about this feels a bit like extortion.

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Re: What the heck is going on with WordPress?

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bawolff wrote: post #52
fenomas wrote: post #41

Separate from anything else, Automattic's messaging around this is horrendous - I've only heard their side of the dispute, and they've convinced me they're in the wrong. Including TFA, everything I've seen from their camp is a hodge-podge of conflicting claims: they say WPE isn't obligated to contribute anything, but also they're taking action because they haven't. Then they say access to wordpress.org is something t…

> Then there's a trademark dispute involved somehow - which seems to be their only actionable claim, but has no apparent connection to the stuff they're angry about, or what they want to change. Its not just that it is unrelated. It also seems very weak. Like they are trying to claim the letters WP as a trademark? IANAL but i strongly suspect that wouldn't fly in court.

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Re: What the heck is going on with WordPress?

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Post by [deleted] »

AdmiralNines wrote: post #6

Recently I found a virus on a clients WPE site. I reached out to there suppory and they told me it was because we were on there shared server plan and we needed to upgrade to there dedicated plan. From $20/mo to literally $2000/mo. Maybe Matt's not going about it the way everyone wants him to, but at least he's trying to do something about this parasite.

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Re: What the heck is going on with WordPress?

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Post by njbentley1 »

ankleturtle wrote: post #37
njbentley1 wrote: post #32

I run a small (tiny) hosting platform for WordPress. I prioritize exceptional customer service as a value-added service. Before they started hosting their websites with me, all my customers shared a common complaint: they were paying companies like WP Engine and EIG a significant amount of money for a subpar hosting platform. They all expressed dissatisfaction with their websites’ slow performance and the lack of cus…

EIG is not Newfold Digital.[0] Matt has specifically praised EIG hosts.[1] He even praised Godaddy, a company which he called a "parasitic company" just a few years ago.[2] This is definitely not about subpar hosting for Matt. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance_International_Group 1. https://wptavern.com/matt-mullenwegs-ecosystem-thinking-for-... 2. https://wptavern.com/matt-mullenweg-identifies-godaddy-as-a-…

To clarify, I agree it’s not about subpar hosting for Matt — that’s just part of why I appreciate someone going after WPE.

Re: What the heck is going on with WordPress?

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Post by [deleted] »

AdmiralNines wrote: post #6

Recently I found a virus on a clients WPE site. I reached out to there suppory and they told me it was because we were on there shared server plan and we needed to upgrade to there dedicated plan. From $20/mo to literally $2000/mo. Maybe Matt's not going about it the way everyone wants him to, but at least he's trying to do something about this parasite.

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Re: What the heck is going on with WordPress?

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Post by chuckadams »

comradesmith wrote: post #47

The way this is written is so indirect that as someone not involved with Wordpress I read this whole article and still don’t know what it’s about

The best summary I've seen so far is https://gist.github.com/adrienne/aea9dd7ca19c8985157d9c42f7f...

Re: What the heck is going on with WordPress?

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Post by hackerbeat »

bawolff wrote: post #5

Wow this sounds so entitled. The more i read posts from the pro-automattic side, the more it sounds WPEngine is in the right. Yes its nice if people contribute back. It is however optional. Not just in the well-technically sense, but in the broader moral sense. If you give something away for free, wait for someone to build a business around it, and then say, well actually its not free, there are strings: that is unet…

Nonsense. It goes much deeper than that. WordPress is no little app some dude maintains in his free time. It's a massive powerhouse that powers 40%+ of the whole web. WP Engine can't just leech on it while adding zero value.

Re: What the heck is going on with WordPress?

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Post by dangrossman »

hackerbeat wrote: post #59
bawolff wrote: post #5

Wow this sounds so entitled. The more i read posts from the pro-automattic side, the more it sounds WPEngine is in the right. Yes its nice if people contribute back. It is however optional. Not just in the well-technically sense, but in the broader moral sense. If you give something away for free, wait for someone to build a business around it, and then say, well actually its not free, there are strings: that is unet…

Nonsense. It goes much deeper than that. WordPress is no little app some dude maintains in his free time. It's a massive powerhouse that powers 40%+ of the whole web. WP Engine can't just leech on it while adding zero value.

Why can 40%+ of the web leech on it while adding zero value except the <1% hosted by WPE?
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