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Role of Deliberate Practice in the Development of Creativity (2014)

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Re: Role of Deliberate Practice in the Development of Creativity (2014)

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It's helpful to know the dissertation hails from UTexas' department of advertising. In that context, 'creativity' is not about artists using imagination, cognition, and innovation to surprise or enlighten or edify. It's about creating better spam.

That's a bit harsh. Note that studying advertising might differ significantly from practicing it. For all you know, there could be a PhD out there researching the moral implications of Facebook's advertising practices during the 2010s.

I have actually read most of the dissertation today, and it sure is about the creativity you reject it to be about.

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It's unfortunately very hard to isolate creativity from many competing and interfering aspects. Is an artist creative or are they successful in a field where by tradition every piece must be different (say, music videos). Is an engineer creative because they live in a discipline of severe constraints (say, spacecraft at the edge of the possible). A known issue for artists is having a recognized body of work: many new clients now want some of THAT - and not the precursors of the next body of work, so the artist feels the pressure to produce more of THAT. Is creativity only recognized (and so, favored) when it's followed by success? What about mechanical aspects of creativity - like good executive skills / habits? How about helps from the environment: constraints are one, but also early viewers, managers, critiques, partners that are encouraging - in the right way. "Practice"?! In what? "Taste" is a known aspect with the recognition that it can be hard on newcomers who may already have "good taste" but not yet the technical, gestural skill to produce and meet that bar. Teachers (in all meanings) that make sense and are capable of explaining how they or others operate. And on and on.

So I have been trying to focus on specific antagonists. Recognizing what forms of creativity matter to me; Solving for "block"; Solving for "time".

Re: Role of Deliberate Practice in the Development of Creativity (2014)

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It's helpful to know the dissertation hails from UTexas' department of advertising. In that context, 'creativity' is not about artists using imagination, cognition, and innovation to surprise or enlighten or edify. It's about creating better spam.

The dissertation is about understanding how it works. You are then free to apply the learnings to anything you want or hate.

Re: Role of Deliberate Practice in the Development of Creativity (2014)

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I think anyone that has undertaken an art form of any sort knows that it is all down to practice. There's just different levels of dedication. Charlie Parker famously was thrown out of a jam session in Kansas City as a teenager by Jo Jones (who threw a cymbal at him), and decided to spend the next 3-4 years practicing 12-15 hours per day. There's a retreat called chilla [1] that some South Asian musicians do which is…

A teacher might tell you "it's about brush mileage - and I have now told you all that matters".

Dump that teacher. If it's all they could teach you, you are done with them.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why AI can in fact create things that haven’t yet been.

Sure, but so can pure randomness, for the same reason. It is creative in the literal sense, but not in the ineffable sense that humans tend to describe in humans.

Nothing wrong with randomness combined with "taste" in the hands of the creator. Which is exactly the plan with generative AI.

Re: Role of Deliberate Practice in the Development of Creativity (2014)

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment adds nothing to the discussion, reveals your prejudice against social science, and could be copied and pasted anytime a non-rigorous subject comes up. I'm actually interested in criticisms of this work, but your comment doesn't even rise to that level.

guilty as charged ! But Bohm's "On Creativity", to me presents a much deeper "philosophical" take on a) what is creativity and b) how to foster it. And I dont see it referenced in this text at all. Again, since this is about persuation, it is what the reader wants to believe.

There are (probably) several billion works on creativity. Just reading and listing your own sources of inspiration on creativity is quite the endheavor. And that is not going to be exhaustive even in a PhD thesis. I'll give leaway there - on the contrary, mine THEIR list for stuff I missed.

Re: Role of Deliberate Practice in the Development of Creativity (2014)

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> In order to assess the difference between deliberate practice habits between elite-level performers and moderate-level performers, it was also necessary to recruit moderate-level performers. Hehe :) Edit: Very interesting read, with nice examples of both successful and unsuccessful artists in various fields. One key trait in becoming successful seems to be willing to put in the effort. This in turn seems to only wo…

At least some of my work is aversion.

I’m doing this because it will save me from having to do that in the future, and I hate doing that.

Re: Role of Deliberate Practice in the Development of Creativity (2014)

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It's helpful to know the dissertation hails from UTexas' department of advertising. In that context, 'creativity' is not about artists using imagination, cognition, and innovation to surprise or enlighten or edify. It's about creating better spam.

I wonder how much intent and outcomes colors motivation.

Probably need a similar study but with two different domains.

Re: Role of Deliberate Practice in the Development of Creativity (2014)

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post #33

Having someone around you who either intentionally or unintentionally creates an environment that makes you want to, and therefor enjoy putting in the effort, is crucial. I am just finishing up The Talent Code by Daniel Coyle [0] and it has been an interesting short read. In a nutshell, it boils talent down deep practice, ignition, and master coaching. [0] https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/5771014-the-talent-co.…

Painfully accurate. Nothing is worse for me creatively when the work environment is paranoid, ass covering, disinterested in the work.

Or one person has a monopoly on creativity.

Re: Role of Deliberate Practice in the Development of Creativity (2014)

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I always believed that while creativity can be developed through focus and practice, the pace of learning varies from person to person. In general, creative people are highly intelligent, work with tremendous focus and are dedicated individuals.

Perhaps. Other artists work in the very narrow direction THEY like and can manage technically - so of course they look like they have focus! Of course they look like they are dedicated to their art. But perhaps too it's the only thing they can do and they stumbled on something that has an audience. That does not mean they aren't amazing ... at that. That does not mean their art is not significant. That doesn't mean that their specific creativity is not worthy.

It also doesn't mean that their creativity's mode of operation isn't totally irrelevant to some other person. Might be. Might not.

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