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Being Raised by the Internet

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Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by nuancebydefault »

tbrownaw wrote: post #40
throwanem wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From how you all use the language, I suspect you and your critical interlocutors are speaking across the Atlantic to one another. Poverty in Europe looks a lot different from poverty in the US. It is not wise to assume much at all about one from the other. You also failed in reading the article to notice that the author plainly did derive considerable psychological support from improving his skill. This was not expli…

> You also failed in reading the article to notice that the author plainly did derive considerable psychological support from improving his skill. This was not explicitly stated but was trivially implicit There's a difference between happening to find psychological support in something, vs asking for it directly . I assumed the comment you're trashing was asking about why they didn't do the second and only the first.…

In fact this is the gist of what i wanted to reply, but i feel we were cross-talking anyways...

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by throwanem »

tightbookkeeper wrote: post #43

Of course nothing on the internet is new, it just assumes a default culture and philosophy which is less prominent in real life. It would be interesting to pin early internet to a particular demographic. Is it 90s stem graduate students primarily in the US? Middle class engineers?

I would instead say, as many have, that the entire wonder of the young Internet was that it couldn't be tied to just one demographic.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by tbrownaw »

throwanem wrote: post #13

The author seems about a decade younger than me and "raised" isn't the word I would use for myself, but I doubt I would have made it if not for the friends I made and the things I learned that way. The thing about pulling yourself up out of a bad situation is that you learn to be usually very deliberate in how you talk about it and what you talk about. People who've never really known anything but stability in their…

People with different life experiences should just be quietly written off due to the faulty assumptions they might make out of ignorance.

> If you feel you've noticed an odd ellipticality in accounts like these, the vague sense of something going unsaid, it's this. If that's all you've noticed, better not to pry.

In what context? Work acquaintances chatting over coffee at the office? Parasocial public discussions on the internet? Intentionally public discussions? Friends talking all night over drinks?

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by aantix »

29athrowaway wrote: post #16

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My kids get a fair share of unsupervised tablet time.

And they seem to know 10x of what I did at their same age.

My son is 9, watching endless Geometry Dash tutorials, and making his own levels. He loves it, and he loves to show me his work.

Tablet time will become an extension of your home life.

If you have good discussions - encouraging curiosity, fostering creativity, challenging their approach "Why did you design it this way?" - the kid and the algorithms will follow that lead.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by throwanem »

nuancebydefault wrote: post #34
Tijdreiziger wrote: post #24

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Here in the Netherlands we have the Kindertelefoon (Children’s Telephone), a free hotline for children to call and talk about anything. [1] I never called when I was young, but I think it’s great that such an initiative exists. Even for adults, there are such initiatives, such as the Luisterlijn [2] and MIND Korrelatie [3]. [1] https://www.kindertelefoon.nl/ [2] https://www.deluisterlijn.nl/ [3] https://mindkorrelati…

I really can't imagine these kind of initiatives not to exist on the other side of the ocean. From all i read here, i must assume so though.

There is nothing remotely similar.

Have you noticed it's only in our cities you seem to really hear about the homeless poor? It isn't the corollary of overall population distribution that it might intuitively look like.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by tbrownaw »

throwanem wrote: post #28
ehnto wrote: post #19

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Well said, something I had not yet put to words. It came up on HN recently, about how work is a place where it can be best to leave some things unsaid, because it invites assumptions about your character and capabilities that might not be true, or positive.

That isn't even unreasonable as a cultural norm, although it is that those who most firmly enforce it also cherish silly habits like saying "bring your whole self to work." The expectation of not oversharing needs to be met by a commitment of not over- asking, but I suppose that's really too much to expect in an age so degraded that all the obligations across lines of social class are understood to run in only one di…

> The expectation of not oversharing needs to be met by a commitment of not over-asking,

Nosy people are a fact of life, and their existence shouldn't invalidate norms against over-sharing in inappropriate contexts.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by Etheryte »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #47
ehnto wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well said, something I had not yet put to words. It came up on HN recently, about how work is a place where it can be best to leave some things unsaid, because it invites assumptions about your character and capabilities that might not be true, or positive.

Keep your identity small. https://www.paulgraham.com/identity.html (Not saying I agree or disagree with the essay but it seemed topical)

I think the central takeaway of this essay is dead wrong, you should aim for the exact opposite. The fewer labels or identities you have yourself, the more strongly you hold on to them and the more fragile your personality. If the only thing you identify yourself by is your job and that gets taken away from you in a downturn, never to return, what's left? A lot of people who are in that situation and don't have other selves to identify with struggle strongly. On the other hand, people who identify with more facets of what makes them them have a lot of options to fall back on. You're not only your job, but you're also a parent, a child, an athlete, a hobbyist, etc. Even if you stop being one of those things, you keep being all the rest, and that gives fortitude and resilience.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by tightbookkeeper »

throwanem wrote: post #52
tightbookkeeper wrote: post #43

Of course nothing on the internet is new, it just assumes a default culture and philosophy which is less prominent in real life. It would be interesting to pin early internet to a particular demographic. Is it 90s stem graduate students primarily in the US? Middle class engineers?

I would instead say, as many have, that the entire wonder of the young Internet was that it couldn't be tied to just one demographic.

I just don’t think that’s true. The sampling of early internet users and writers is not the general population.
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