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The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

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Re: The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

#51
I don't understand the logic behind this argument.

Yes, some people made a bet on office real estate, and they're in a bad position right now.

But those aren't the same people who are running businesses that use those offices. Why would most businesses care if real estate is propped up or not? How would increasing utilization of their buildings actually help them?

Re: The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

#53

Ok, so which “elites” are holding real estate portfolios and creating these stories in the media bashing remote work? Who are they? I don’t think the world is so coordinated. Some people made a bad bet on real estate. Some other people want to write click bait pieces about lazy workers. Some other corporate leaders are scared that employees are goofing off outside the office (because productivity can’t be measured fo…

The world doesn't have to be coordinated. People mistake the fact that it's easier to selfishly gain from chaos for conspiracy: what you see is a result of every man for himself thinking, combined with their being little downside to seeding a narrative and seeing if it sticks.

Re: The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

#55
There are a lot of arguments in this post about what does or does not constitute an “elite”.

I don’t have an answer to that question but I am curious as to why my company and multiple companies my friends work at, are having events where they direct us to command our entire team to come into the office and then tell us the next day that there aren’t enough seats and some people should be told to stay home.

It seems like a lot of companies want to eat their cake and have it too. I mean that in the sense that they want all their employees in the office but don’t want to pay for enough office space to make that possible.

Hell, even the “golden path” schedule for my team or any other in the company doesn’t have set desks. Where we sit in office changes depending on the day because we have the seating capacity for 75% of the employees mandated to be in office, and hr is doing their best at accommodating this. I don’t think as many real estate firms would be looking at their offices sitting unused if corporations actually put their money where their mouth is when it comes to the return to office push

Re: The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

#56
Real estate is just a small piece of the puzzle. The larger issue is that millions of people commuting daily is big business.

It drives a large piece of demand for the auto industry and causes literally and figuratively tons of fuel to be consumed, just to take some obvious examples, but there are many many many more when you consider the chain reactions.

Fuel is heavily taxed in most countries as well, so reducing the demand is a major hit to the core economy of many nations. This is a problem for everyone, not just the 1%. It might actually be a smaller problem for them than for most.

This is not a conspiracy so much as it is a real problem that might cause problems for all of society unless its handled well.

I think we need to elevate the discussion from the tiresome "It's all $category's fault because they're evil" to stand any chance. In this case as in so many others.

Re: The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

#57

Ok, so which “elites” are holding real estate portfolios and creating these stories in the media bashing remote work? Who are they? I don’t think the world is so coordinated. Some people made a bad bet on real estate. Some other people want to write click bait pieces about lazy workers. Some other corporate leaders are scared that employees are goofing off outside the office (because productivity can’t be measured fo…

Lobby groups like the Property Council of Australia were extremely supportive when the public service in New South Wales (a state of Australia) started forcing RTO: https://www.realestatebusiness.com.au/commercial/28416-nsw-s... ; https://www.governmentnews.com.au/nsw-public-servants-ordere...

Re: The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

#58
> It especially benefits those of us on the spectrum, who need a quiet place where we can focus.

I'm not on the spectrum (at least I've never been diagnosed, but many software developers have autistic tendencies, so who knows), but I also need a quiet place where I can focus. Funnily enough, many people who prefer working from the office also want all others to see how hard they are working, so they sit in the biggest open plan office and do calls all day long. Which is kind of at odds with other people's need to focus...

Re: The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

#59

Ok, so which “elites” are holding real estate portfolios and creating these stories in the media bashing remote work? Who are they? I don’t think the world is so coordinated. Some people made a bad bet on real estate. Some other people want to write click bait pieces about lazy workers. Some other corporate leaders are scared that employees are goofing off outside the office (because productivity can’t be measured fo…

Wealthy people are in the same social circles, of course they keep hearing these concerns about commercial real estate. They don't have to formally coordinate because they share the same class interests. You could even argue part of this coordination happens subconsciously.

Of course, not all wealthy people invested in commercial real estate. But they still have an interest in preserving the existing economic system. They certainly don't want a domino effect.

Re: The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

#60
This is maybe the stupidest article I've yet to see discussed on HN.

This person thinks that multibillion dollar companies would be willing to sacrifice productivity to prop up the minor real estate assets they hold at the expense of their revenue and market cap?

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