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You absolutely do not need to hand it to them.
Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is war. Any hostile action in armed conflict can, and will, have collateral damage to the innocent. Acts of terror and war crimes are determined by who is targeted, what precautions are taken to minimise collateral damage, and how significant is the military target compared to expected collateral damage. If you don't want to kill any innocent civilians, your only course of action is not to offer any resistance t…
That last paragraph is disingenuous at best because there is a miles-wide valley of options between setting off explosives in peoples' pockets and surrender.
No, this paragraph explains that "this attack killed innocent" is not a good argument if you want to prove that this was a war crime or an act of terror. If you want to prove something like this, your argument should be "this attack targeted innocents", "reasonable precautions to minimise damage to innocents were not taken", or "the military significance of target is insignificant compared to damage to innocents".
I don't see any of these arguments.
Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
#53Saying this "further heightened tensions" between Israel and Hezbollah is like saying Jason "further heightened tensions" with the campers at Camp Crystal Lake. Can you imagine what must be like to be a rank-and-file Hezbollah soldier at this point? What the fuck is going to happen tomorrow? I'd throw away my socks.
I know HN is not a place for political commentary, but why Israel would do it now when everyone tries to make them de-escalate?
Hezbollah has been firing rockets into Israel more or less continuously since October 7, and Israel has been firing back. I believe both countries have had to evacuate border areas, something like 100,000 Israelis living hear Lebanon are internally displaced.
In short, there's a war on. Neither side wants a full blown war but Israel doesn't want to let Hezbollah muster a larger assault, so they're doing what they can to cripple Hezbollah and disrupt their operations.
De-escalation is a goal that takes cooperation from both parties (or in this case, from Israel and the various Iranian proxies attacking them). Telling one party to "de-escalate" while the other party continues attacking is just farting in the wind.
Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
I know HN is not a place for political commentary, but why Israel would do it now when everyone tries to make them de-escalate?
Israel is in their 9/11 moment and is not backing down due to international hand wringing. Ultimately it’s a test of the international institutions and US government support.
What you're saying is true. Israeli citizens have had enough and demand a military solution. The fighting doctrine of Israel's adversaries is attacking and then running for the cover of the international community, but post October 7th that doesn't really work anymore with Israel.
Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you imagine being in a supermarket and detonations go off dropping people? At least 8 children have died in the pager attack. The US did not detonate personal devices using a supply-chain infiltration, I am specifically talking about this tactic. If you feel the need to bring another conflict into this, you don't think you have an argument to stand on. Imagine this was Hezbollah detonating hundreds or thousands o…
> Imagine this was Hezbollah detonating hundreds or thousands of devices in Israel? If these were devices used predominantly by IDF, I wouldn't consider it an act of terror either. However, Hezbolla prefers to indiscriminately target civilians. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/druze-shock-war-be...
Since we're bringing other conflicts into this... How come Ukraine is able to put in every effort to avoid civilian death when their opponent deliberately uses cruise and ballistic missiles on residential areas?
Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
#56Saying this "further heightened tensions" between Israel and Hezbollah is like saying Jason "further heightened tensions" with the campers at Camp Crystal Lake. Can you imagine what must be like to be a rank-and-file Hezbollah soldier at this point? What the fuck is going to happen tomorrow? I'd throw away my socks.
I know HN is not a place for political commentary, but why Israel would do it now when everyone tries to make them de-escalate?
Israel has been pressing the escalation as hard as they can. They've had people in positions of power saying it's literally ok to rape Palestinians in prison.
There's zero interest in de escalation there.
Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
But if you wanted to put 30g of explosive into a device, you wouldn't just want it sat there looking out of place to any curious person with a screw-driver. My guess is that you'd want to put it inside a component like say a LiPo pouch that looks like it belongs there. Half-battery, half-explosive - and maybe hijack the BMS components to also allow it to be triggered.
My understanding is that they were extremely well concealed, and would have been difficult to detect with simple internal visual inspection.
>My understanding is that they were extremely well concealed
Source? I'm not sure how you can concealed any meaningful amount of PCB/explosive in a pager/radio, unless you're hoping that your target never opens the plastic casing, or doesn't know what the internals are supposed to look like.
Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
#58I see a lot of comments here that seem to imply there is knowledge that victims were exclusively members of Hezbollah.
Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
#59A second day! I can't believe the full up and down owning of the communications supply chain. Makes Hezbollah look like a clown show.
Thousands of civilians injured... very few Hezbollah dead. Makes Israel look like a terrorist organization, IMHO.
Why would civilians have in their possession tactical communication devices of a military organization?
Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
#60A second day! I can't believe the full up and down owning of the communications supply chain. Makes Hezbollah look like a clown show.
Thousands of civilians injured... very few Hezbollah dead. Makes Israel look like a terrorist organization, IMHO.
You can't take Lebanon's report on who the injured were at face value. I've not doubt that innocent people were injured by this, but it's not _thousands_ of innocent people.