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The port of the Windows 95 Start Menu was not all it seemed

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Re: The port of the Windows 95 Start Menu was not all it seemed

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The reality is Dave Plummer was called out again after incorrectly claiming Start Menu drew text sideways, that he built the entire menu, etc and was forced to backpedal when presented with evidence to the contrary. (He even revised the YouTube video title from I Built Start[...] to I Worked On Start [..., 1].) Once a scammer, always a scammer, it seems. [1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fr4Q6CF0E_8

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Re: The port of the Windows 95 Start Menu was not all it seemed

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That can't be the reason. If the kernel crashes (or a driver, 'cause it's all the same in Win9x), then there's an instant BSOD, so there won't be any Task Manager, even if it's already loaded in memory. I belive that's the way thing were done in those days. In Win95 the Start Menu was also in memory, with the entire menu tree, progam names, icons, and everything. It would open instantly. In Win98 they changed that. I…

Chicago onwards was glorified Windows 3.0 386 enhanced mode, Cougar. The fundamental problems Win 9x has is it was buggier and didn't have the isolation assurances NT had. The main things Win 9x solved were the resource leaks of Win 3x and gradually increased relative stability. Whistler/Asteroid were the ways forward based on NT. (Pour one out for Neptune/Odyssey.)

Buggier than WinNT?! I remember WinNT4 having 7 service packs, and after the latest SP, something like 50 more patches only for the RPC, and in the end they recommended switching to Win2K because it couldn't be fixed without breaking compatibility. I'm sorry I can't give any links - they deleted everything.

You probably remember the BSODs due to buggy drivers.

One could argue that an OS for PC (Win9x) doesn't need any isolation. There's only one user (personal in "PC").

Re: The port of the Windows 95 Start Menu was not all it seemed

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Yep that's my line of thinking, if you have physical access it's game over for security anyway (evil maid etc). Whether the kernel recognizes SysRq or CAD or whatever else is a matter of a patch, X11 or Wayland can't intercept (that's the entire point of having a very very low level kernel routine for that). The funky part would be the user space integration, the kernel would probably have to selectively resume a cou…

It ran like shit in 4MB—I remember telling the IT boss that we’ll need 8MB on every W95 machine, unless we want to wait 5 seconds to open a menu or run only one app at a time. Still 8 is impressive for the functionality.

Yeah my own Win95 machine had 32MB and ran super happy. The 4MB machine was frankensteined from very random parts for a friend who fried the PSU on their 8MB - the difference between all 3 setups was crazy, I think at 4MB you had to use a 16-color palette? At 640x480x8bpp video memory alone should eat 300KB (I don't think there was double-buffering?)

I sometimes wonder, what would be the "smallest" machine you could feasibly DIY/build today, that would still allow you to be somewhat productive (e.g. write code, very basic web browsing, SSH, etc). I recently spent a week with a PowerBook G4 (2002) and it's very usable (save for the fan noise). There's probably a lot to explore with modern MCUs.

Re: The port of the Windows 95 Start Menu was not all it seemed

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It ran like shit in 4MB—I remember telling the IT boss that we’ll need 8MB on every W95 machine, unless we want to wait 5 seconds to open a menu or run only one app at a time. Still 8 is impressive for the functionality.

Yeah my own Win95 machine had 32MB and ran super happy. The 4MB machine was frankensteined from very random parts for a friend who fried the PSU on their 8MB - the difference between all 3 setups was crazy, I think at 4MB you had to use a 16-color palette? At 640x480x8bpp video memory alone should eat 300KB (I don't think there was double-buffering?) I sometimes wonder, what would be the "smallest" machine you could…

Video memory is on the graphics card. Screen image is (was) built directly in the framebuffer. Double buffering wasn't a thing in those days. Memory was too expensive. I had a Trident 9440 PCI. It barely had BitBlt acceleration.

Re: The port of the Windows 95 Start Menu was not all it seemed

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Windows 2000 ("NT 5") was the most usable of that era (just a bit later). It was stable, solid, and had a responsive UI.

WinXP was mostly a cosmetic upgrade on Win2K right? AFAIR there strictly were no technical reasons why Win2K wouldn't be able to run XP software, only stuff like version checks and what not

Re: The port of the Windows 95 Start Menu was not all it seemed

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> Yet you still decided to accuse somebody of malicious intent and of being a scammer. https://youtube.com/watch?v=1GeF9AjlqP8 He is a scammer and was convicted for it.

> He is a scammer and was convicted for it. A settlement is not a conviction.

> By agreeing to the settlement, [...] David W. Plummer, of Redmond, admit multiple violations of the state Consumer Protection Act. [...]
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