This was the process I followed: 1. Downloaded EndeavourOS 2. Installed it as easily as Ubuntu Edit: the arch documentation is second to none
Isn't the pain of installing Arch the point?
Installing Arch Linux on a Laptop
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Re: Installing Arch Linux on a Laptop
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
well if you stand by them, do you plan to present actual evidence of the alleged conspiracy or are you just making these statements to troll?
isn’t gatekeeping inherently subjective? it’s going to be hard to present objective evidence to a subjective expression of opinion.
Gatekeeping is an active effort to keep others out of something (out of a field, away from information, etc.). Where is the active effort to keep people out of Arch when the documentation is made available for free?
Re: Installing Arch Linux on a Laptop
#53What's everybody's favorite distribution on the Frame.Work 13? Getting it next week, and toying around with Arch/Debian/Ubuntu/Suse/NixOS/etc in VMs while waiting for it. I think I'll have to throw a coin (or just take Debian).
I'm running SUSE Tumbleweed. Fast package manager, up-to-date versions of just about every package you could want. Never had any driver issues or issues installing.
After going through Centos, Ubuntu, Arch, and Mint, I’m settling down on OpenSUSE. The rolling updates just work.
Re: Installing Arch Linux on a Laptop
#54These types of posts are often more harfmul than helpful. ArchLinux already has proper installation instructions and those who cannot follow them aren't recommend to run it. The main installation issues the ArchLinux forum sees is from people following outdated third party installation guides.
nonsense.
I learned the arch linux installation from the arch web page. I've stepped through it probably 50 times over the years to install various systems.
It becomes this "choose your own adventure" style installation, and you quite quickly get worn down by the branches and start making expedient choices over more involved choices.
So many of my laptop installs have had simple partitions, systemd boot, and on and on and ending with a text login.
Each choice for a more capable system would require extensive learning and the risk of having to start over.
These instructions take you through complex choices like secure boot, LVM, choosing a desktop, a graphical boot and more.
This installation guide gives you a fully functioning system (like you would get with a full distribtion).
The author had to learn from a fully-functional manjaro install, and then walked us through the same thing with arch.
Having a full desktop os with arch in the end is a really wonderful goal, and might be worth the risk of having problems with the install (which I seem to get with arch anyway)
Re: Installing Arch Linux on a Laptop
#55These types of posts are often more harfmul than helpful. ArchLinux already has proper installation instructions and those who cannot follow them aren't recommend to run it. The main installation issues the ArchLinux forum sees is from people following outdated third party installation guides.
Just as an example, this guide suddenly assumes that "yay" is installed. Even though AUR helpers like yay aren't officially recommended by ArchLinux and also aren't trivial to install.
Only "suddenly" after he links to his other post describing AUR and installing yay:
Re: Installing Arch Linux on a Laptop
#56These types of posts are often more harfmul than helpful. ArchLinux already has proper installation instructions and those who cannot follow them aren't recommend to run it. The main installation issues the ArchLinux forum sees is from people following outdated third party installation guides.
I think the post title is understated, since I had a related thought: it's not hard to install most Linux distros on a laptop, and this post will intimidate people. This post is about how one person did it on hard mode, to get it just how they want it. That's fine. I suspect that most of the people on HN could pretty easily install Debian, without documentation (just write this file raw to a USB flash drive, boot the…
The article isn't about how to install a Linux distribution on your laptop. It's about installing Arch on your laptop.
The fact that installing Debian is easier is true, but also irrelevant.
Re: Installing Arch Linux on a Laptop
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just as an example, this guide suddenly assumes that "yay" is installed. Even though AUR helpers like yay aren't officially recommended by ArchLinux and also aren't trivial to install.
The design decisions around AUR befuddle me to this day. It's utterly arcane in how to use it. Or rather it feels like it wasn't designed at all and simply evolved. I highly recommend people to use "yay" and similar helpers that make a lot of the problems simply go away.
I've always thought it was more for developers. You can get something into AUR easily, and it is basically the basis for a real package.
So low effort for developers.
Meanwhile I think the high effort for users of AUR is an appropriate barrier to entry.
Every dangerous thing I've seen in life benefits from good situational awareness, and all the "learn makepkg" stuff plus "can't be root" seems to match the learning effort to the risk.
Re: Installing Arch Linux on a Laptop
#58Nit picking a bit but I prefer btrfs even if it's slower. Easier to work with. What bootloader is this using? Or is it just straight EFI booting? I helped write a guide a few years back that still is what I do using systemd-boot. https://github.com/lunasec-io/lunasec/blob/master/docs/blog/... How is Wayland support these days? I love i3 but I know Sway promises to be close enough.
What bootloader is this using? Or is it just straight EFI booting?
Re: Installing Arch Linux on a Laptop
#59I know SteamOS uses an immutable file system over a custom Arch install.
Have any people here tried this kind of thing with immutable file systems on Arch and is there a realistic benefit?
Re: Installing Arch Linux on a Laptop
#60ArchWiki: your source for Arch Linux documentation on the web. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Main_page
I'm getting some mixed messages in this thread alone. Who do I believe?