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Re: There's a place for everyone

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The author had me with the hook. I wanted to know how this fundamental ethical difference arises and what its psychological and sociological implications are. Maybe I could compare it with other proposed ideological axes.

But I didn't find any of that.

Re: There's a place for everyone

#52
post #11

I only skimmed but I don’t find this philosophy particularly interesting. The implication here is that everyone has one best place, but in reality there are many local maximums. The opportunity cost of traversing a valley for a slightly higher maximum may not be worth it. The post also conflates employment with happiness. Not having a paying job is a valid life choice. Stay at home parent is a completely valid niche.…

I'm not sure it conflates the niches with employment. Many of the examples given are specifically non-paying niches. (Starting with breakup-whisperer). Indeed for some percentage of people, employment is not fulfilling or satisfying. They turn to other activities to create significance in their lives. (Open Source software is pretty much built on this concept.) That said, I suspect the basic premise (everyone has a u…

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Re: There's a place for everyone

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> None of this is easy and the post doesn’t seem to provide any insight into finding a good fit. Oh it does: > So it’s not that the world magically offers the lock to fit everyone’s key. It’s that everyone’s key has a bit of give, enough to fit the locks available. We screw this up when we assume that our keys are made out of Play-Doh and they can fit anywhere, or when we assume they’re made out of obsidian and they’…

The piece sort of contradicts itself on this point though and explicitly conflates employment and finding one's niche with the tragedy of Nicky. Why is it a tragedy that Nicky finds herself employed as a consultant if she has no other particular career ambitions, if she can find her niche outside of work? The author even seems to suggest it's morally wrong for people to be employed in anything but their niche, lest t…

I think it alludes to a lack of any purpose in life. A friend of mine was like that and she was really unhappy with that.

She had a job, but is was literally nust a way to get money. It wasn't a bad job, but it did not remotely excite her and if she was gone she would have been replaced within a week.

She had zero hobbies and nothing she persued with a passion. That didn't mean she did not have talents, e.g. she was a great singer. But it did not mean a lot to her.

Not sure if this is equivalent to Nicky here, but the tragedy isn't based on what we think about it, it is that these people feel homeless in their own lives. The relationship isn't causal in the sense of "people who have job X will feel like that" but more like "people who feel like that are likely to have a (to them) meaningless job".

The girl from my story got out of the whole thing by traveling and leaving her comfort zone, she got a dog that she wants to care for and that pushes her to do things when she normally wouldn't.

Re: There's a place for everyone

#54
> We don’t talk much about this, because if the people on Team Overboard were honest about who they plan to purge, none of their intended victims would be friends with them, let alone vote for them.

It's hard to take the piece seriously after that. Obviously a mischaracterization of the group he refers to as "Team Overboard".

A steelman would look something like: "On the other team, they are indifferent as to whether people they don't know find a place for themselves. They are confident that all people they would want to potentially know will find places for themselves."

Because that actually matches some commonly espoused philosophies. On the other hand, I've never heard anyone seriously call for a purge of undesirables, which is what the author claims.

Re: There's a place for everyone

#55

Talking about purpose without mentioning spirituality is to me like talking about politics without mentioning wars : feels like a lot of the reasoning behind is missed, either by prudishness, ignorance or bigotry.

We would need to start by defining what spirituality is... For me it's a vague, meaningless word that people like to use without ever defining it. And it's meaning ehen5rhere is one. Is completly diffeent9from person to person... So for me utterly useless.

Etymologically speaking, spirituality is related to, well spiritus, related to soul, spirit, vital principles and so on. Religion on the other end comes from religare, which means to bind.

Can you see the difference in meaning of this two words ? One talks about ethereal things without boundaries but the other bounds you to something…

To answer your point, spirituality is broadly speaking your relationship with the invisible world. Is life to you purely material, explored only through the senses or is there more ?

Re: There's a place for everyone

#56

How many of these niches actually pay enough (or provide enough other benefits) to have a decent quality of life? I think that's the real limiting factor in "finding your niche".

That's a fair point. I kind of hate that the world has come to this. Everything needs to be justified through an economic lens. I wonder if life was easier in the past with regards to this.

Roughly which century was it when economics began to exist?

Re: There's a place for everyone

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We would need to start by defining what spirituality is... For me it's a vague, meaningless word that people like to use without ever defining it. And it's meaning ehen5rhere is one. Is completly diffeent9from person to person... So for me utterly useless.

Etymologically speaking, spirituality is related to, well spiritus, related to soul, spirit, vital principles and so on. Religion on the other end comes from religare, which means to bind. Can you see the difference in meaning of this two words ? One talks about ethereal things without boundaries but the other bounds you to something… To answer your point, spirituality is broadly speaking your relationship with the i…

It's purely material.

When I see a beautiful sunset or listen to music I like, or fall in love, those are all material.

I too do not understand spirituality

Re: There's a place for everyone

#58
post #20

No, there’s not. The evolutionary process is pretty adept at rigorously excluding most personality and physical variants out of all the available options. Pretending otherwise is naive ahistorical nonsense.

Sometimes I think I must be an evolutionary dead end, and that gels with the fact that I don't want children.

Or specifically, I wouldn't mind the good parts of having one or two children, but I could not bear the responsibility

Re: There's a place for everyone

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post #42
post #3

> every person has a purpose, nobody is superfluous or redundant. > That’s a tragedy not just for Nicky, but for the rest of us, too. There’s a hole in the ecosystem where Nicky should be: there’s a hospital she should be running, or seventh-graders she should be teaching, or pizzas she should be delivering underwater. Wherever that hole is, everything else will be a little off-balance until Nicky fills it. Some inte…

> Some interesting implications of this Not really. The article only says persons who exist have a purpose. It does not say that persons who do not yet exist must be created because there is a purpose waiting for them.

Doesn't that put a strange significance on making new people?

There's some boundary where you can't abort or your child is born and then they definitely have a purpose, even though 5 minutes before reaching that boundary, they didn't

Re: There's a place for everyone

#60
post #18

tldr honest im sick of these blue pills

I'm about ready for a good blue pill these days

As a vegan who additionally hates eating and hates being around others when they eat, it's very hard to get along with anyone.

Imagine a world where nearly everyone is a hypocrite and a murderer, and their hobby of murder is offensive to you, disgusting to you, and also seemingly the number one way for everyone but you to form social bonds of any sort.

"Neo!! You have to wake up, Neo! Come live in a filthy cave and eat slop with us, Neo!"

I really wonder if the Matrix gave my generation brain poisoning.

Why do I greatly prefer to feel correct than to feel happy? Why does it seem impossible to accept other people and this alternate reality most of the world subscribes to?

I think I would take the blue pill.

The steak Cipher eats is vegan, it's made from ethically sourced human meat, the humans were not raised to be food like cattle are.

The world inside the Matrix is not perfect, it's missing many things I'd like, but in that pre 9/11 dream world I could eat dairy cheese and maybe enjoy an easy life. Maybe in that dream I would be cis, even.

If I take the blue pill, am I responsible for the machines killing runners?

If I pay taxes, am I responsible for my countrymen voting in weird losers?

The red pill is no longer a slam dunk for me. I wonder when my mind changed.

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