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Coolify’s rise to fame, and why it could be a big deal

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Re: Coolify’s rise to fame, and why it could be a big deal

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AGPL3 gets somewhat near this; if someone wants to profit in the cloud from it, they have to share all changes they make (and in theory then anyone else could go run a for profit or free service in the cloud or locally with the same new code).

Sharing code back isn't enough. AGPLv3 falls short in ensuring the profits from the tools get shared with the creators and maintainers

Personally I care less about this, and more about someone else not ripping my code off outright and profiting.

I’m very much torn, because on the one hand, I can attribute my entire career to OSS. I learned from using and studying others’ work. OTOH, what I did not do is take someone’s work, and monetize it.

I have no issue with using a library; those are nearly always released with the explicit purpose of being included in a larger body of work. But if someone makes a full product, and releases it under essentially any OSI-approved license, absolutely nothing stops me from taking it as-is, throwing a splashy page in front of it, and making money (assuming it’s a marketable product, of course). This to me is the same as stumbling across an artisan making a product and selling it cheaply, only to turn around and immediately resell it for a profit, simply because they didn’t know any better. It’s legal, but it’s ethically gross.

Re: Coolify’s rise to fame, and why it could be a big deal

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Sharing code back isn't enough. AGPLv3 falls short in ensuring the profits from the tools get shared with the creators and maintainers

That sounds like the early 90s when you had to pay for all dev tools and even pay royalties for how many copies of your product you sold with that library. Most people had to roll their own crappy half-assed homebrew data structures because otherwise you'd have to pay for expensive libraries.

Interesting reference as more and more people long for the a comeback of the old days in tech.

Re: Coolify’s rise to fame, and why it could be a big deal

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That sounds like the early 90s when you had to pay for all dev tools and even pay royalties for how many copies of your product you sold with that library. Most people had to roll their own crappy half-assed homebrew data structures because otherwise you'd have to pay for expensive libraries.

Interesting reference as more and more people long for the a comeback of the old days in tech.

I remember when c++ shipped with a standard library with data structures and I was very impressed that they were free.

Re: Coolify’s rise to fame, and why it could be a big deal

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I feel like it's only possible to get excited about software anymore if it's open source and not in the control of some vendor. Not because I care a lot about the ideology of free software, it's just because the way corporations take over and ruin/sell out everything has been so demoralizing.

I just don't see myself needing to do much differently than I did 10 years ago...heck 20 years ago. Sure some frameworks make things nicer but we had the ability to drag and drop labels on photos and create photo/video montages with audio in our startup back in 2005.

Maybe it could be done with better abstractions today but I just don't think it's worth all the complexity that it seems to come with nowadays.

Make Web Pages Reload Again.

Re: Coolify’s rise to fame, and why it could be a big deal

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As an outsider to Vercel, Next.js and server side JS in general, I feel like I'm missing a lot. > What happened next with Next.js and Vercel is far less magical... What happened - could someone elaborate or share a link?

I’m guessing they’re referring to Vercel’s business strategy and general influence on open source lately? I know it’s a thing on the twitter, but maybe I’m missing something more overt and obvious.

Re: Coolify’s rise to fame, and why it could be a big deal

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We've been using Coolify to power all our products. It's a great tool for quickly starting new projects. We're very happy with it. We got our servers from Hetzner and we're not looking back.

Can you describe what it is?

Re: Coolify’s rise to fame, and why it could be a big deal

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At Coherence (withcoherence.com - I'm a cofounder) we are delivering the open-source benefits of Coolify (less vendor lock-in, cheap hosting costs) via our open-source CNC framework (cncframework.com) while still keeping a hosted SaaS control plane that eliminates the "few hours of fiddling with setup" that the blog author minimizes here. Maintenance and configuration complexity over time (as you customize and use cl…

How is this different from the Coolify hosted cloud, apart from the fact that you are the co-founder of Coherence and not Coolify.

I've used neither solution, but just at a glance, right now I'd bet on Coolify -- it has more permissive license, it has active community of third party contributors and it amassed a large amount of private and corporate sponsors that likely make it sustainable.

On the other hand, you've raised $3.9m more that a year ago. What happens if the money runs out?

Maybe you can clarify what your solution offers that Coolify doesn't.

Re: Coolify’s rise to fame, and why it could be a big deal

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As an outsider to Vercel, Next.js and server side JS in general, I feel like I'm missing a lot. > What happened next with Next.js and Vercel is far less magical... What happened - could someone elaborate or share a link?

I’m guessing they’re referring to Vercel’s business strategy and general influence on open source lately? I know it’s a thing on the twitter, but maybe I’m missing something more overt and obvious.

What is Vercel’s business strategy or recent influence on open source?

Found this discussion - perhaps related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40682711 “Vercel ends open-source sponsorship program giving projects 24hr notice”

Re: Coolify’s rise to fame, and why it could be a big deal

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>indie devs hiding their source code from corps takeover is the new free software. High power level take. The Stallman ethos of Free Software simply hasn't played out the way idealists thought it would. Instead, libraries are standardized by megacorps to farm employees inculcated into their design patterns and get GitHub clout chasers to fix bugs for free. Open source really needs something like the CC-BY-NC-ND* lice…

> Open source really needs something like the CC-BY-NC-ND* license. That seems akin to saying "vegan food really needs pork", since by definition a NC licence can't be open source. Not to mention such licences cause as many, if not more, problems than they solve. https://community.oscedays.org/t/why-are-non-commercial-lice...

Notably the open source foundation tried and failed to trademark the term open source in 1999.

As such “by definition a NC license can’t be open source” is true only by certain definitions. Open source is a generic term, not owned by the OSI, despite the holy wars fought over it.

I realize my post is controversial and may spur vitriol from some. It is an uncomfortable truth for many.

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