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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by codedokode »

hamilyon2 wrote: post #24
greatgib wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since forever I stay suspicious but so far Telegram as an impeccable track record. Never there was a single instance of case where there would be even a suspicion of proof that insider knowledge of conversations was accessed/used. Also, it is clear that Durov is a dissident and personally experienced and run away of the dictatorial state. So I think that it is probably one of the tech personality that I trust the mos…

The latest evidence of wide cooperation of telegram and Russian officials: https://roskomsvoboda.org/ru/post/shutdown-v-baymake/

The article doesn't contain the evidence though; it claims that someone changed access to private for a Telegram group that covered the protests. However, as the article says, it could be done not only by Telegram, but by one of the administrators.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by evilfred »

greatgib wrote: post #9
Glacia wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I can easily guess that assholes in secret service would probably like very much to use that to blackmail him to add backdoors to telegram Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government?

Since forever I stay suspicious but so far Telegram as an impeccable track record. Never there was a single instance of case where there would be even a suspicion of proof that insider knowledge of conversations was accessed/used. Also, it is clear that Durov is a dissident and personally experienced and run away of the dictatorial state. So I think that it is probably one of the tech personality that I trust the mos…

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by chad1n »

vessenes wrote: post #19

Not clear right now if France thinks he was actively complicit with the four horsemen listed, or if just the act of running Telegram makes him complicit in their eyes, or something in the middle, e.g. they asked for help and Telegram turned them down. This will be an interesting case to watch -- I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort -- but generally my un…

EU has been complaining about Telegram's end-to-end encryption for a long time and they want to implement some regulations to basically add backdoors into all messaging apps. I don't really see how this case will go on since at least private chats are encrypted so Telegram (theoretically at least) can't see the contents.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by BoredPositron »

artembugara wrote: post #26

According to this source he’s accused in non-cooperating. He’s not accused of terrorism, drug, or slaving directly. Very interesting to see where it will all go. I don’t understand how they’re going to convince French judges that he’s guilty for not being able to decrypt chats that he has no keys for…

According to which source?

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by gtvwill »

vessenes wrote: post #19

Not clear right now if France thinks he was actively complicit with the four horsemen listed, or if just the act of running Telegram makes him complicit in their eyes, or something in the middle, e.g. they asked for help and Telegram turned them down. This will be an interesting case to watch -- I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort -- but generally my un…

But here's the thing. If your app is known to be uses heavily by criminals ranging from Pedo's to drug dealers. You are liable. You run a carrier service. Much like the owner of omegle found out, yes you do have a duty of care. You can't just provide a service that knowingly provides a platform to criminal activity and do jack shit. You live in fairytale land if you think you can.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by ivanmontillam »

codedokode wrote: post #28
earnesti wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They added this wallet feature with a lot of different cryptos, which implicates that they are also now providing maybe a financial service. The regulation with those is heavy.

Technically crypto wallet is a third-party app and not a part of Telegram distribution.

Telegram's @wallet is owned by Telegram itself.

It's registered as a separate company, but they even share some office space.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by dijit »

chucke1992 wrote: post #23
vessenes wrote: post #19

Not clear right now if France thinks he was actively complicit with the four horsemen listed, or if just the act of running Telegram makes him complicit in their eyes, or something in the middle, e.g. they asked for help and Telegram turned them down. This will be an interesting case to watch -- I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort -- but generally my un…

> I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort But that's what exactly they want no? EU is literally implementing a regulation that will allow to "circumvent end-to-end encryption to address child sexual abuse material". I believe it failed to pass recently, but they will try again - and nothing stops countries to implement it independently. I think France is th…

A handful of EU MEPs keep pushing backdoored encryption and it keeps getting veto’d.

There are two legistive bodies in the EU, one is only allowed to propose law, the other is only allowed to vote on it.

Lots of braindead laws get put to a vote, theres no requirement that they get through.

I understand that raising the alarm is helpful, but it would be helpful if people took a second to understand how the EU works, the politicians involved and how their motions are perceived by the rest of parliament.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by evilfred »

tssge wrote: post #22
Glacia wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I can easily guess that assholes in secret service would probably like very much to use that to blackmail him to add backdoors to telegram Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government?

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telegram is undoubtedly influenced by the Russian govt https://www.wired.com/story/the-kremlin-has-entered-the-chat...

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by chucke1992 »

z_open wrote: post #25
chucke1992 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government? Yes. You should read the history of Durov and why Telegram was created in the first place.

Why don't you post it yourself. And why should I care about what he says when telegram has some of the worst default encryption settings among commonly used messaging apps in the west?

Except Telegram is considered one of the most secured apps around. Obviously it cannot stop people from being stupid when they expose themselves.

The very reason why France is not happy is that because they cannot get access to private chats and stuff. EU was (and is) pushing for the end of E2E encryption after all (it failed this time, but they will try again).

Durov created Telegram because the russian government was trying to take over his original social network - VK (basically imagine USA gov taking over Facebook). Thus he sold his shared and left the country.

I do find it hilarious to see apologists of government over-reach like you.

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