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Epic Games Store and Fortnite Arrive on EU iPhones

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Re: Epic Games Store and Fortnite Arrive on EU iPhones

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Post by cesarb »

nottorp wrote: post #36
eklavya wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to not understand this as well. Then I switched to Android after some 8 years and can't really remember why I "needed" iOS. Everything works and I am happy. really just choose the better product (for you). Regulation may not happen in time or at all but declining sales will make any business do an about turn at record pace. And even if it doesn't, why do I care?

You change your phone every year? Because I have this Android phone sitting on my desk for development. When I bought it it was almost as responsive as iPhones (and much cheaper). 4 years later the UI is a lagfest [1]. Meanwhile, my iPhone XS is over 5 years old and almost as responsive as on day one. And I have major version OS updates to blame for the "almost", while the Android one got one major update and was lag…

> You change your phone every year? Because I have this Android phone sitting on my desk for development. When I bought it it was almost as responsive as iPhones (and much cheaper). 4 years later the UI is a lagfest [1].

As a counter anecdotal evidence: I bought my current Android phone before the pandemic started (that is, more than 4 years ago), use it daily, and it's as responsive now as it was when I first used it. While I don't have any iPhone experience to compare, I feel no lag when using it.

Re: Epic Games Store and Fortnite Arrive on EU iPhones

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Post by madeofpalk »

flohofwoe wrote: post #8
nailer wrote: post #2

All I wanted to see was a single screenshot or video. Ars used to be such a wonderful site. Anyway: https://youtu.be/_6cmu0NuM3g

Bizarre how the scare popup doesn't have a button to immediately go to the right place in Settings (or even just enable the feature right there). Typical Apple though. It's the same mess on macOS to allow running software installed from the web.

Eeehh, conveniently, this is consistent with their other “scare popups” that don’t directly harm their business model like installing provisioning profiles. They’re installed via Safari, where a pop up tells you the instructions to go to in Settings, rather than a button to take you there.

Re: Epic Games Store and Fortnite Arrive on EU iPhones

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Post by fhaldridge7 »

Y_Y wrote: post #29
bornfreddy wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the technical term for this is "Oops.".

"Oops, an inadvertent unavoidable accident meant we broke the functionality we didn't want but were forced to add!"

The problem here is with the Epic Store website and not with Apple

Re: Epic Games Store and Fortnite Arrive on EU iPhones

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Post by madeofpalk »

regnerba wrote: post #11
withinboredom wrote: post #6

Literally just downloaded it. Even if it contains spyware, the freedom to choose to install spyware deliberately is refreshing.

Serious question: if it’s so important to you why use an iPhone? Not trying to be sarcastic or negative, really just curious.

It’s possible to prefer a product as a sum of all its parts, but have some downsides or criticisms of it.

Personally, I dislike the Android look and feel more than I want the ability to install other app marketplaces.

Re: Epic Games Store and Fortnite Arrive on EU iPhones

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Post by ben_w »

KolmogorovComp wrote: post #10

What data does the epic game store has access to if you install it? Does it show clearly which data each app collects?

> Does it show clearly which data each app collects?

I think it would be very funny if it turns out Epic don't understand GDPR (data collection) and DSA (dark patterns), in much the same way they've already had a settlement for COPPA: https://web.archive.org/web/20221219211645/https://www.nbcne...

It's possible to win every battle, and still lose.

Re: Epic Games Store and Fortnite Arrive on EU iPhones

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Post by nottorp »

kingsleyopara wrote: post #46
gary_0 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are more Steam gamers on Linux than there are on MacOS (2.08% Linux vs. 1.37% Mac)[0]. Gaming is pretty dead on Macs. [0] https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw...

I question the accuracy of those statistics. I’m one of the few people who game on macOS and almost exclusively use Steam via CrossOver, so I wouldn’t be included in that 1.37%. The same was true before the Apple Silicon era when I used Boot Camp.

Why would we be? We’re gaming against Apple’s wishes.

Re: Epic Games Store and Fortnite Arrive on EU iPhones

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Post by sph »

regnerba wrote: post #11
withinboredom wrote: post #6

Literally just downloaded it. Even if it contains spyware, the freedom to choose to install spyware deliberately is refreshing.

Serious question: if it’s so important to you why use an iPhone? Not trying to be sarcastic or negative, really just curious.

I'd rather suffer the Apple nanny state than the Google spyware empire. And the Google Material UI is eye-bleedingly terrible in its absolute blandness.

I just wish there was a serious third option.

Re: Epic Games Store and Fortnite Arrive on EU iPhones

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Post by ben_w »

pavlov wrote: post #39
KolmogorovComp wrote: post #10

What data does the epic game store has access to if you install it? Does it show clearly which data each app collects?

They’re still iOS apps executed in the same sandbox and notarized by Apple. It’s not like they can suddenly read more data from your device just because you downloaded the binary from Epic’s S3 bucket instead of Apple’s S3 bucket. Of course Apple would like you to have a vague feeling of fear, uncertainty and doubt about third party distribution. The truth is that the only extra layer of defense provided by Apple’s A…

The ease with which Apple's rules may be circumvented is situation-specific, e.g. Facebook ran an ad campaign to protest against Apple enforcing privacy rules which (to my not legally trained eye) seem to have already been a legal requirement for app developers in several jurisdictions before Apple made it also a contractual obligation: https://news.law.fordham.edu/jcfl/2021/03/29/the-privacy-war...

So, for Meta, in this specific case, the law was easier to ignore than the developer agreement.

Re: Epic Games Store and Fortnite Arrive on EU iPhones

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Post by caslon »

nottorp wrote: post #42

Let's remember the other fact hidden behind this store of a free to play peddler: Due to governmental pressure, we have a chance to get a browser that can run uBlock Origin on iOS in the future...

uBO already runs on iOS. Orion is compatible with Firefox and Chrome extensions. The lack of extensions in mobile browsers is a sign of Mozilla's decay, not a sign of Apple being unnecessarily restrictive. They also don't care about you having extensions on Android; their most recent redesign left Android Firefox users without extensions for months.

Mozilla is an ad-supported company from every angle: Pocket, search deal, the ads built into Firefox. Why don't they get more of the blame for the current state of the browser ecosystem?

Re: Epic Games Store and Fortnite Arrive on EU iPhones

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Post by nottorp »

caslon wrote: post #59
nottorp wrote: post #42

Let's remember the other fact hidden behind this store of a free to play peddler: Due to governmental pressure, we have a chance to get a browser that can run uBlock Origin on iOS in the future...

uBO already runs on iOS. Orion is compatible with Firefox and Chrome extensions. The lack of extensions in mobile browsers is a sign of Mozilla's decay, not a sign of Apple being unnecessarily restrictive. They also don't care about you having extensions on Android; their most recent redesign left Android Firefox users without extensions for months. Mozilla is an ad-supported company from every angle: Pocket, search…

> Orion is compatible with Firefox and Chrome extensions.

What's Orion, and is it compatible with normal desktop Firefox and Chrome extensions, or with the mobile ones?

> The lack of extensions in mobile browsers is a sign of Mozilla's decay, not a sign of Apple being unnecessarily restrictive.

Agree with Mozilla's decay, but there's also a Chrome for iOS and that doesn't have uBlock Origin either, does it?

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