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Re: Trainwreck Design

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Post by thomashop »

cybrox wrote: post #23
larodi wrote: post #22

(most) Kids will likely never learn these command and attributes and output like we passionately did in 1994. LLMs be spittin' them command lines quick and correct, transpiled/translated from English/French/...Macedonian if you like. they already do, and it already helps a lot. Perhaps one may learn to remember and , but will definitely not care to produce by heart oneliner bash abominations sprinkled with sygils and…

Nothing I'm looking forward to than a generation of sysadmins who use 99% correct commands and get the output parsed for them 99% correct.

Isn't the chance for a human sysadmin to get wrong just as high? I think I've worked with some very good and very bad human system administrators.

The good ones will produce more reliable code than current LLMs. But on average, I don't think so.

Re: Trainwreck Design

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Post by efilife »

atoav wrote: post #28
notachatbot1234 wrote: post #10

A webpage that uses numeric identifiers for external references that are found only when scrolling to the very bottom of the page and show their URLs as plain text. Now that is a train wreck. Hyperlinks are the cornerstone of the web. Don't be afraid of using them!

You mean footnotes? As they have been used for centuries in print? The difference between them and a simple hyperlink is that they can and often will provide some additional context, that is out of the scope of the original text. Ideally on a website meant for computer screens you wouldn't have them on the end, but in the margins, next to the information, but for short stuff it is okay to put them at the end of the c…

> The difference between them and a simple hyperlink is that they can and often will provide some additional context

It's possible to 'link' to a html tag, so the page jumps to the bottom, where the additional context is, much like wikipedia does

Re: Trainwreck Design

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Post by atoav »

efilife wrote: post #52
atoav wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean footnotes? As they have been used for centuries in print? The difference between them and a simple hyperlink is that they can and often will provide some additional context, that is out of the scope of the original text. Ideally on a website meant for computer screens you wouldn't have them on the end, but in the margins, next to the information, but for short stuff it is okay to put them at the end of the c…

> The difference between them and a simple hyperlink is that they can and often will provide some additional context It's possible to 'link' to a html tag, so the page jumps to the bottom, where the additional context is, much like wikipedia does

Yeah, if you read my post again, you will find that I mentioned this already.

Re: Trainwreck Design

#54

Post by atoav »

Someone wrote: post #35
atoav wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean footnotes? As they have been used for centuries in print? The difference between them and a simple hyperlink is that they can and often will provide some additional context, that is out of the scope of the original text. Ideally on a website meant for computer screens you wouldn't have them on the end, but in the margins, next to the information, but for short stuff it is okay to put them at the end of the c…

> The difference between them and a simple hyperlink is that they can and often will provide some additional context, will give you additional context on hover (on systems that support that)

Good to use I guess, but you can't rely on that with the likes of smartphones and tablets.

Re: Trainwreck Design

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Post by nox101 »

this reminds me of a locale issue. When I ssh from Mac to Ubuntu 22.04 I get some error about LC_??? not being set. Looking for a solution lead me here

https://askubuntu.com/questions/162391/how-do-i-fix-my-local...

what sticks out to me is there is no definitive answer. every answer is different. I'd have to already know the correct answer to know the correct answer

Further, I've never done anything out of the ordinary on either Ubuntu nor MacOS. Both are standard setups.

How can it be 2024 and I'm running into issues like this?

Re: Trainwreck Design

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Post by nottorp »

gsich wrote: post #50
topspin wrote: post #36

This complaint about df/mount/etc. recurs with noticeable frequency. Another ugly spot is iproute2's ip link/addr. Between containers and VMs and their virtual interfaces, link bonding, virtual bridges, macvlan/tap, etc., the list of "interfaces" proliferates. Trying to find an actual physical interface is difficult, and interpreting what is there is a challenge. Improving this stuff isn't happening because no one is…

A single \n would improve ip link/addr. There is no easy way to visual grep the right interface. ifconfig is much better in this regard, but has obvious downsides.

But... you have to use systemd tools to parse the output these days. Why are you even looking at this with the naked eye?

Re: Trainwreck Design

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Post by st_goliath »

The year is 2024 and I want to know how much free disk space I have. I open the Thunar file browser on my Xfce desktop and it tells me "Free space: XXX GiB" right at the bottom.

The year is 2024 and I need to give a presentation. I walk up, plug the HDMI cable into my laptop. On my Xfce desktop, a window pops open with 4 buttons: Laptop only, external display only, mirror, expand. I choose "mirror", the desktop is resized to the smallest common size and it "just works". Unlike the next person who has to futz around their Windows settings for a few minutes and afterwards asks me excitedly what that tool was that I used.

Of course then there is also that one guy who fidgets around on stage for 10 solid minutes, before we are treated to a tiling window manager with eleventynine terminal windows and a hundred nervously fat-fingered xrandr command lines. Everyone in the audience chuckles and shakes their head "Linux people, typical...", and the guy on stage, already sweating blood begins the presentation.

But I guess you just gotta have your command line and complain about it too.

Re: Trainwreck Design

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Post by Xenoamorphous »

benrutter wrote: post #39
notachatbot1234 wrote: post #10

A webpage that uses numeric identifiers for external references that are found only when scrolling to the very bottom of the page and show their URLs as plain text. Now that is a train wreck. Hyperlinks are the cornerstone of the web. Don't be afraid of using them!

I think it's an intentional aesthetic choice[0]. Hyperlinks would be convenient, but something about the raw text / ascii art vibe makes me happy everytime I read a blog post from j3s even if it doesn't have the conveniences of the modern web. [0] https://j3s.sh/about.html

Hyperlinks are not modern web though.

Re: Trainwreck Design

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Post by michaelteter »

This is about like trying to ride the rails on just a pair of wheels and an axle, and the complaining that train rides are horrible in 2024.

_obviously_ he's looking too low level. That's why there are layers, apps, tools, that ride above that low level and summarize it for different perspectives.

We need the full information, mostly raw, at the low level. Then we can choose what to do with that information when presenting it to users.

Re: Trainwreck Design

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Post by adrianN »

benrutter wrote: post #39
notachatbot1234 wrote: post #10

A webpage that uses numeric identifiers for external references that are found only when scrolling to the very bottom of the page and show their URLs as plain text. Now that is a train wreck. Hyperlinks are the cornerstone of the web. Don't be afraid of using them!

I think it's an intentional aesthetic choice[0]. Hyperlinks would be convenient, but something about the raw text / ascii art vibe makes me happy everytime I read a blog post from j3s even if it doesn't have the conveniences of the modern web. [0] https://j3s.sh/about.html

Links are a convenience of the ancient web.
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