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Mozilla wants you to love Firefox again

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Re: Mozilla wants you to love Firefox again

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Post by hintymad »

alberth wrote: post #19

Dumb question: who’s Firefox target user? Chrome is able to capture the mass consumer market, due to Google’s dark pattern to nag you to install Chrome anytime you’re on a Google property. Edge target enterprise Fortune 500 user, who is required to use Microsoft/Office 365 at work (and its deep security permission ties to SharePoint). Safari has Mac/iOS audience via being the default on those platform. Brave (based o…

> due to Google’s dark pattern to nag you to install Chrome anytime you’re on a Google property

I'm not sure if that's true. I switched to Chrome because Chrome felt snappier than its competitors. Its multi-process model made Chrome more robust. It's developer tool had better usability than Firefox's. And Chrome's extensions, at least initially, offered better experience and wider selections. Oh, Google's integration of Chrome with Google's identity system was a nicer experience too.

Re: Mozilla wants you to love Firefox again

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Post by fragmede »

tmtvl wrote: post #49
create-account wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no. Just block every connection through uBlock Origin so you get a mostly JavaScript-less website. There are so many benefits to browsing without JS

There's 3 extensions which I consider must-haves: - Noscript Security Suite which has made it very obvious how absolutely fucked today's web is (there's sites which can't display static text without js, as though HTML and CSS are insufficient to display styled text with some markup). - uBlock Origin because obviously. - Multi-account Containers, which aren't quite as good as profiles, but get like 70% of the way ther…

> there's sites which can't display static text without js

as developers, we understand how stupid that is and the utter insanity of javascriptium that got us there, but how is that a selling point? If I install that extension, I get a degraded experience and I get to be judgey because the framework the developer(s) they hired used some bit javascriptium that doesn't degrade nicely. am I supposed to feel smug that I've figured that out? why would I want to make things worse for myself? just for some small sense of feeling better than other people?

Re: Mozilla wants you to love Firefox again

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Post by kentrado »

create-account wrote: post #42
SXX wrote: post #38

I use Firefox on both Mac and Android and it works well. I'd just wish it was proper open source project with BDFL and public team of developers and not some corporate failure.

I’m looking forward for Ladybird browser to be released to the General Public. On the meantime, I’m using LibreWolf instead. I’ve uninstalled Firefox after noticing the surreptitious advertising check

Here's what I have found regarding this:

"Thanks F3nd0! There are currently no plans to switch to a less permissive license.

And we're perfectly happy using proprietary services like GitHub and Discord as long as they make our work easier and more enjoyable. We recently evaluated a number of alternatives, and found that they all introduced more friction than we were comfortable with.

Although the task of building a browser is itself challenging, we're a pragmatic project :)"

Re: Mozilla wants you to love Firefox again

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Post by thefz »

danpalmer wrote: post #12

I used to be a die-hard Firefox user, but over the last 15 years software quality has improved, expectations have been raised, and I haven't felt that Firefox has kept up. It still feels like it's a re-skinned 2005 era piece of software. Placing it next to Safari, Chrome, or more recent competitors like Arc, it feels dated. There are technical reasons for this, there are process/political/human reasons why it has sta…

> Placing it next to Safari, Chrome, or more recent competitors like Arc, it feels dated.

Performance wise?

Appearance wise?

I use it exactly for the reason you state: I do not need 65536 features in a browser, not it makes any sense for it to use 1GB of my memory per tab.

Re: Mozilla wants you to love Firefox again

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Post by threeseed »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #45
threeseed wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox like Chrome still allows long-lived i.e. 400 days first party cookies. This is being abused by advertisers to track you across the web. If they do care about privacy it would be good for them to copy Safari and make this 7 days.

> If they do care about privacy it would be good for them to copy Safari and make this 7 days. If I get logged out of every website on a weekly basis I'm going to be annoyed. > This is being abused by advertisers to track you across the web. How do they use first party cookies to track you?

> If I get logged out of every website on a weekly basis I'm going to be annoyed.

Then those websites should move to Passkeys.

> How do they use first party cookies to track you?

Because Meta and Google allows websites to submit advertising data to them server side using a self-hosted JS file which sets the first party cookies on your behalf.

Re: Mozilla wants you to love Firefox again

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Post by threeseed »

cpeterso wrote: post #47
threeseed wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox like Chrome still allows long-lived i.e. 400 days first party cookies. This is being abused by advertisers to track you across the web. If they do care about privacy it would be good for them to copy Safari and make this 7 days.

Does a 7 day expiration matter if the tracker can just set new cookies with new 7 day expiration dates as it tracks you? Also, Firefox partitions cookies by site (aka Total Cookie Protection), so first-party facebook.com cookies, cross-site facebook.com cookies on example.com, and cross-site facebook.com cookies on example.net all get separate cookie jars. https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/02/23/total-cookie-pr.…

Total Cookie Protection is a completely useless feature.

Advertising industry has been moving to first party cookies ever since Apple implemented ITP.

Re: Mozilla wants you to love Firefox again

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Post by hulitu »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #32
alberth wrote: post #19

Dumb question: who’s Firefox target user? Chrome is able to capture the mass consumer market, due to Google’s dark pattern to nag you to install Chrome anytime you’re on a Google property. Edge target enterprise Fortune 500 user, who is required to use Microsoft/Office 365 at work (and its deep security permission ties to SharePoint). Safari has Mac/iOS audience via being the default on those platform. Brave (based o…

All devs should be using Firefox. If not, you are failing in your moral duty.

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Re: Mozilla wants you to love Firefox again

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Post by create-account »

tmtvl wrote: post #49
create-account wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no. Just block every connection through uBlock Origin so you get a mostly JavaScript-less website. There are so many benefits to browsing without JS

There's 3 extensions which I consider must-haves: - Noscript Security Suite which has made it very obvious how absolutely fucked today's web is (there's sites which can't display static text without js, as though HTML and CSS are insufficient to display styled text with some markup). - uBlock Origin because obviously. - Multi-account Containers, which aren't quite as good as profiles, but get like 70% of the way ther…

Aren’t no script and uBlock Origin redundant?
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