I think it's pretty stupid to challenge yourself in ways that are guaranteed to harm your body in some way, even if the harm is temporary.
There's a book called anti-fragile which gives opposite advice (in certain contexts).
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#52I think it's pretty stupid to challenge yourself in ways that are guaranteed to harm your body in some way, even if the harm is temporary.
We all have your vices. Surely you too have a vice or two that isn't ideal for your body, but you do it regardless? We only live once, to avoid anything that might damage your body would lead to a very boring life.
> We all have your vices. Surely you too have a vice or two that isn't ideal for your body, but you do it regardless?
Well, I eat a sweet thing about once a month. I guess that's pretty harmful.
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#53I think it's pretty stupid to challenge yourself in ways that are guaranteed to harm your body in some way, even if the harm is temporary.
It's part of the human condition I'd say. Drinking causes harm in some way, but most people do it. Sticking to a diet can be harmful in some way, but especially people claiming to be pursuing good health go for them. Sports harms your body in that it causes small injuries that the body has to heal. Without this stupidity as you call it, we'd be nowhere. Yeah it's stupid to try and hunt a wooly mammoth given they're t…
> It's part of the human condition I'd say. Drinking causes harm in some way, but most people do it.
I also think drinking is stupid.
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Can I ask what led you to doing this? (And regardless - you usually aren't hungry during an extended water fast either - you do get physiological "pings" during your normal meal times. However, I would assume that if you're depriving yourself of water the body naturally overrides everything with signals for thirst)
I have MS, where autoimmune processes deteriorate the conductive coating on the nerves (myelin), and fasting is known for greatly boosting myelin repair. In fact, the most effective currently known remyelination treatment is a fasting mimetic (metformin) alongside an antihistamine (clemastine). It also regenerates the immune system, with obvious benefits for optimal functioning.
I'm sorry to hear about your MS - I can understand seeking whatever treatment might help,
Did you do a pre/post MRI to compare the effect? (or whatever, CSF markers, OCT, what have you)
How did you decide on the type and length of the fast? Have you tried water fasts beforehand?
How long did you find a positive effect? Is the fast something that you plan on doing on continual schedule?
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> Mineral water may have a small amount of trace minerals, but it has basically zero electrolytes at relevant physiologic concentrations. Functionally, there'd be almost no difference between distilled and mineral water fasting with respect to electrolyte management. This might be correct for what is considered mineralwater in the US (I honestly don't know), but 1l of typical sparkling mineralwater in Germany has abo…
That is 1/3 of the minerals you are supposed to get from water! It is recommended 6g of Na per day, which you will not get just from water.
Where do you get that from? No, it is the amount of minerals you are recommended to get during one day, no matter the source.
And for Na the recommended ammount is 1.5 g (from D-A-CH)
But in the example linked above, 1 l of the water gives 118 mg of Na, so 13 l of water would be needed to get the required Na amount. Not practical, but most mineral waters actually come rather with an artifically reduced amount of Na. Natural sources probably have higher values.
But in
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From that site: > Russian physicians have successfully treated many illnesses and diseases outside > the standardized support of allopathic medicines, as well as more common > ailments including, but not limited to, mental disorders, bronchial asthma, > rheumatoid arthritis, hypertension, obesity and diabetes. I guess the Gulag does cure everything... (though to be fair, the part of the diseases mentioned that are du…
Right, I sense a lack of open-mindedness here, or curiosity, fasting is widely recognized as having unique effects on stem cells including the immune system.
I'm sorry if you "sense a lack of open-mindedness" in my skepticism regarding Russian medicine. I'm actually very curious - I've water fasted myself. But I try to be rational, and tend to think anecdotal evidence shouldn't move my priors too much.
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It is incredibly dangerous, hypernatremia sadly occurs way too often in elderly patients in care homes where the patients are weak or mentally incapacitated and can't/don't ask for a drink of water and/or are ignored by their carers for long enough.
elderly patients in care homes is a far cry from anyone attempting to do this on their own
They are literally our only (unwilling) test subjects...
Not a representative cohort by any means
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Right, I sense a lack of open-mindedness here, or curiosity, fasting is widely recognized as having unique effects on stem cells including the immune system.
I'm sorry if you "sense a lack of open-mindedness" in my skepticism regarding Russian medicine. I'm actually very curious - I've water fasted myself. But I try to be rational, and tend to think anecdotal evidence shouldn't move my priors too much.
I don't know why you're making it about Russian medicine, as I said I've only given this example to show there is interest in structured arrangements for dry fasting, I guess it backfired because those Russians are backwards pre-scientific primitives or something.
Fasting is an ancient practice, perhaps the most ancient medical practice.
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#59I used to know a lot of Hispanic immigrants in Chicago. One of them told me his story. It start with his mom sewing two hidden amounts of dollars into the lining of his pants. When the coyotes he'd hired dumped him and 12 others in the desert near the border they were surrounded within minutes by gunmen who put them on their knees. He said a gunman tore straight into his pants and found one of the bundles (but clearl…
The Devil's Highway by Luis Urrea has similar plot—except less brutal!
I wonder if there are any coyotes nicknamed The Virgil though.
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I have MS, where autoimmune processes deteriorate the conductive coating on the nerves (myelin), and fasting is known for greatly boosting myelin repair. In fact, the most effective currently known remyelination treatment is a fasting mimetic (metformin) alongside an antihistamine (clemastine). It also regenerates the immune system, with obvious benefits for optimal functioning.
I'm sorry to hear about your MS - I can understand seeking whatever treatment might help, Did you do a pre/post MRI to compare the effect? (or whatever, CSF markers, OCT, what have you) How did you decide on the type and length of the fast? Have you tried water fasts beforehand? How long did you find a positive effect? Is the fast something that you plan on doing on continual schedule?
My MRIs are great because of all the "alternative" practices I did over the years, and it's not a new diagnosis either, usually at this stage people have a sizable amount of lesions. My last brain MRI came almost entirely clear, remarked upon by the doctor, with no signs of brain atrophy, which is almost unheard of at this point especially for someone not on a conventional immunosuppressant
I did do water fasts, dry fasts are simply more effective for the same time spend.
I do plan, not there yet because right now I'm focusing on building up exercise capacity and i'm also on high dose vitamin D for which it's recommended do drink lots of fluids, so I cut it out for a while and wait for my D levels to go down and when the weather permits I'll go at it again, probably on a whim which I find easier than setting a date beforehand.