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Re: How middlemen are gaming the H-1B program

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Post by eru »

rawgabbit wrote: post #20
bsder wrote: post #15

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The simplest solution is to automatically give an H1-B a green card in 12 months--24 at the longest . Force the sponsoring company to pay for and complete all of the required background and security checks. Make failure to complete or shitty completion of those checks criminal liability directly on the CEO. This would immediately deprive these kinds of staffing companies of the economic incentive as they would have t…

Or we could simply end the H1-B lottery scam. And go with the naked truth of what it is, patronage. Let each Senator/Representative be responsible for giving out a certain number of visas each year and let them auction it off to the highest bidder.

The auction is an excellent idea, but you don't need to tie it to representatives. Just make the proceeds go to general revenue, and tout it as making those pesky foreigners pay and how much it benefits the tax payer.

Re: How middlemen are gaming the H-1B program

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Post by listenallyall »

shiroiushi wrote: post #45
listenallyall wrote: post #33

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But this is an example of the most ridiculous ideas floated on HN. Even if every politician agreed there was a problem with the H1-B system, the proposed solution is far from agreeable to everyone. Adding criminal liability? Increasing labor costs ("remove the depressive impacts on salaries")? Making it easier to obtain permanent residency? One of the reasons HN gets mocked is how dismissive many commenters are about…

>Even if every politician agreed there was a problem with the H1-B system, the proposed solution is far from agreeable to everyone. Adding criminal liability? Increasing labor costs ("remove the depressive impacts on salaries")? Making it easier to obtain permanent residency? What's wrong with these ideas? 1. Criminal liability - this sounds a bit harsh, but some people are concerned about making sure "bad people" do…

I'm not here arguing for or against any proposal, or claiming any moral approval or disapproval. I'm just stating that they would face serious resistance and therefore would be extremely difficult to pass, directly contradicting the OP's implication that they are simple and easy.

1. and 2. are anti-business. Just like raising the minimum wage, passing anti-business legislation is very, very difficult. 3. well, if there aren't any negatives, why is there currently a limit on the number of visas?

Re: How middlemen are gaming the H-1B program

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Post by shiroiushi »

listenallyall wrote: post #52
shiroiushi wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Even if every politician agreed there was a problem with the H1-B system, the proposed solution is far from agreeable to everyone. Adding criminal liability? Increasing labor costs ("remove the depressive impacts on salaries")? Making it easier to obtain permanent residency? What's wrong with these ideas? 1. Criminal liability - this sounds a bit harsh, but some people are concerned about making sure "bad people" do…

I'm not here arguing for or against any proposal, or claiming any moral approval or disapproval. I'm just stating that they would face serious resistance and therefore would be extremely difficult to pass, directly contradicting the OP's implication that they are simple and easy. 1. and 2. are anti-business. Just like raising the minimum wage, passing anti-business legislation is very, very difficult. 3. well, if the…

>1. and 2. are anti-business. Just like raising the minimum wage, passing anti-business legislation is very, very difficult.

Sure, I'll agree to that.

>3. well, if there aren't any negatives, why is there currently a limit on the number of visas?

That's a good question, and I have no idea what the answer is. If anti-business legislation (like #1 and #2 here) is so hard to pass, then it seemingly shouldn't be that hard to pass pro-business legislation. Increasing the number of visas (or eliminating the limit) should, logically, be a pro-business position (lots more workers), while also being of interest to the left-leaning people who generally claim to be pro-immigration. So WTF is the problem? I don't know. The only people who should be opposed to such a move are 1) the outright anti-any-kind-of-immigration racists on the right (who aren't even a sizeable number, a large portion (most?) of the anti-immigration people are usually against illegal and/or low-skilled immigration), and 2) any firms that are profiting off the shortage of visas.

>directly contradicting the OP's implication that they are simple and easy.

I don't think the OP was under any illusion that passing such legislation would be simple and easy, due to the hyper-partisan nature of the current government. If the government weren't this way, passing reforms would be easy.

Re: How middlemen are gaming the H-1B program

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Post by BobbyJo »

listenallyall wrote: post #46
BobbyJo wrote: post #21

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Car salesmen are guides and we'd get raped without them? Wild take.

I agree with your objection to "ass raped" - but you have to agree that buying a car without any dealers would logistically be far more difficult, right?

Not at all. An order form and direct delivery would be way easier.

Re: How middlemen are gaming the H-1B program

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Post by listenallyall »

BobbyJo wrote: post #55
listenallyall wrote: post #46

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I agree with your objection to "ass raped" - but you have to agree that buying a car without any dealers would logistically be far more difficult, right?

Not at all. An order form and direct delivery would be way easier.

What if you wanted, or needed, a car today, rather than wait 3-6 months? How would the car get from the factory to your home? Who would arrange financing? If there was a recall of your particular model, who would make the fix for free? Who would you send an "order form" to if buying a used car?

You personally may prefer to handle each of the above on your own, but millions of people prefer one-stop shopping where everything is taken care of, along with services like title registration, having a person show you how to use the electronics, offering coverage for regular maintenance, etc.

Re: How middlemen are gaming the H-1B program

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Post by wakasaka »

trueismywork wrote: post #6
trhway wrote: post #5

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Can i venture a guess that you aren't an immigrant? Because otherwise you'd say "by the time we get Green Card" :)

Getting a green card takes longer than retiring.

got mine in 1 year employment based. I am not from India though

Re: How middlemen are gaming the H-1B program

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Post by BobbyJo »

listenallyall wrote: post #56
BobbyJo wrote: post #55

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Not at all. An order form and direct delivery would be way easier.

What if you wanted, or needed, a car today, rather than wait 3-6 months? How would the car get from the factory to your home? Who would arrange financing? If there was a recall of your particular model, who would make the fix for free? Who would you send an "order form" to if buying a used car? You personally may prefer to handle each of the above on your own, but millions of people prefer one-stop shopping where eve…

> What if you wanted, or needed, a car today, rather than wait 3-6 months?

Why would direct delivery take 3-6 months? Also, most dealerships wont give you your car the day you buy it anyway.

As far as financing goes, thats totally orthogonal to the process of buying the car. As it stands now, car dealers get kick back from financers and try to steer customers into the highest interest loans they can, so decoupling the two processes would probably benefit customers.

Recalls aren't handled by salesmen.

Used care sure. Dealers make sense. Secondhand markets need price discovery too afterall.

Re: How middlemen are gaming the H-1B program

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Post by listenallyall »

BobbyJo wrote: post #58
listenallyall wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if you wanted, or needed, a car today, rather than wait 3-6 months? How would the car get from the factory to your home? Who would arrange financing? If there was a recall of your particular model, who would make the fix for free? Who would you send an "order form" to if buying a used car? You personally may prefer to handle each of the above on your own, but millions of people prefer one-stop shopping where eve…

> What if you wanted, or needed, a car today, rather than wait 3-6 months? Why would direct delivery take 3-6 months? Also, most dealerships wont give you your car the day you buy it anyway. As far as financing goes, thats totally orthogonal to the process of buying the car. As it stands now, car dealers get kick back from financers and try to steer customers into the highest interest loans they can, so decoupling th…

3-6 months is how long it takes when you custom-order a car, pretty ridiculous that you don't understand this simple fact. It's actually more complicated, factories have specific allocations of builds they distribute to their dealer network. Direct ordering would open the allocation system, especially of popular cars, to be monopolized by independent people or groups, similar to concert ticket scalpers.

Every consumer bank offers auto loan financing and yet somehow, tons of people prefer to go with the dealer.

You still didn't state how the car would get from the factory to your house - would you have to hire a delivery company? Or you think GM is going to put up with "your car delivery is approaching your house" and you reply with "I'm at work can you come back at 6?"

Recalls are handled by dealerships, which is where salesman work.

Like most of HN, you are choosing to ignore the real-world reasons these companies exist and assume some techno-utopia would solve all problems. Indeed, a small percentage of car buyers would benefit from a pure direct-from-factory purchase option, but the vast majority of car buyers want or need one or more of the services that car dealerships provide.

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