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Neither does capitalism
it would help a lot if you all stopped calling the mess implemented in practice without any ideology behind it by a theoretical model name.
10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
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#53It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your country's media and propaganda can significantly colour your opinions. I don't get the feeling many other countries continue to have such a negative opinion of Cuba.
Are there any countries other than the US that has a strong negative opinion on Cuba?
I'm also curious if anyone comes from a country that has a significant negative opinion on another country that others might find surprising?
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps OP means the Cuban Americans who fled before are generally pretty right wing - which is why they were persecuted by far left regime of Castro in the first place- will likely vote for Trump. It is also perhaps possible that those citizens don't like the new wave of immigrants, it is not uncommon for groups to try and raise the ladder behind them so to speak. A surprisingly large percentage immigrants are anti-…
most anti-immigration folks, are for controlled immigration process, instead of droves of people crossing the borders And to be honest being on the other side of the board, the immigration process is a mess
This phenomenon is not limited to immigrants. It has been observed with many types of groups like say women in corporate leadership
The reason being that they had it difficult and therefore it shouldn’t be easy for the next person
Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
The current U.S. position towards Cuba continues to puzzle me. Their geopolitical stance is nowhere near being on the same level as North Korea or Iran. Given Cuba's proximity and relative productive capacity you'd think that we'd be easy allies if only they hadn't upset a bunch of dead politicians 60 years ago.
While Florida was/is a swing state in US elections, whoever secures the ex-Cuban vote wins a massive amount of electoral votes. Republicans are fine jockeying against Cuba "because communism", and so the Democrats are in a pickle in that the right thing to do would be to improve relations with Cuba but it guarantees to hand Florida over to the Republicans who will then have the presidency and proceed to treat Cuba as…
Yeah, this is basically the answer- Cuban American lobby is solidly against the current regime. Less so than they used to be, but there are still plenty of voices strongly opposed to normalization and few strongly for it.
Without a strong counter vailing lobby there is little reason for politicians to risk alienating the Cuban bloc to normalize relations with a fairly repressive government that still remains broadly anti-American and opposed to US interests.
Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
#56> Most of those migrants have come to the United States in what experts call the most significant migration wave in Cuban history. With the destabilization that a population drop of 10% has, the potential for more migration in the long term and the associated costs... Wouldn't it make sense for the U.S. to invest and help Cuba? It would also have the additional benefit of maybe depriving Russia of an ally.
"Wouldn't it make sense for the U.S. to invest and help Cuba?"
Part of the reason Cuba is in the shape it's in is because of previous US investment and "help".
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Maybe not, but please don't take HN threads on generic ideological tangents.
Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
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I see it as complete opposite. They did it because they could: for a long while, U.S. admitted virtually everyone as a refugee without even an attempt to cook up a plausible story. That happened only in 2022-2024. It's a no brainer to see no one ever wanted to live in Cuba. Trick is having a place to go. Until the politically opportunistic immigration loophole was closed this year, they had.
Cuba would be quite a desirable place to live if it wasn't a socialist authoritarian state
As the old joke from behind the Iron Curtain said...
Q: "What would happen in Saudi Arabia if Communism triumphed there?"
A: "First, shortage of oil, later, shortage of sand."
Edit: for all the downvoters, shortages were our daily lived experience when I was a kid. I still remember chasing such rare stuff as "kid's sneakers" or "toilet paper".
And Czechoslovakia was still better off than neighbouring Poland, where you could walk into a shop and find literally nothing in the shelves.
The black market was the only thing that reliably worked.
Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
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Neither does capitalism
it would help a lot if you all stopped calling the mess implemented in practice without any ideology behind it by a theoretical model name.
Ah, yes: "nothing can be known; words don't mean things, and things don't have names."
Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
#60I wonder what a sensible way forward for Cubans is, and their government. What would it take for the US to lift sanctions (I assume a radical shift within Cuba's government), and for Cuba itself (as a whole) to restructure their government in a way that would benefit them and everyone. Cuba would be a great travel destination. Their cigars aren't as on par anymore as far as I know, but there's potential there, Nicara…
Why does the US still have sanctions on them anyway? The missile crisis was 50 years ago. It's time to forgive.
62 years ago.