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Re: Polychromatic Pixels

#51
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This vaguely reminds me of "CCSTN" (Color Coded Super Twisted Nematic) LCD displays, which were used in a few Casio calculators to produce basic colour output without the usual RGB colour filter approach. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quB60FmzHKQ https://web.archive.org/web/20240302185148/https://www.zephr...

For some reason I find those displays' shades of orange and green to be SUPER appealing. The blue is nice enough.

Re: Polychromatic Pixels

#52

A single wavelength can't reproduce all visible colors. These pixels are variable wavelength, but can only produce one at a time, so you'd still need at least 2 of these pixels to reproduce any visible color. The fundamental problem is that color space is 2D[1] (color + brightness is 3D, hence 3 subpixel on traditional displays), but monochromatic light has only 1 dimension to vary for color. [1]: https://en.wikipedi…

It can produce all the colors of the rainbow. But no magenta. Perhaps they can quickly pulse the LED enough between multiple wavelengths.

Re: Polychromatic Pixels

#54

A single wavelength can't reproduce all visible colors. These pixels are variable wavelength, but can only produce one at a time, so you'd still need at least 2 of these pixels to reproduce any visible color. The fundamental problem is that color space is 2D[1] (color + brightness is 3D, hence 3 subpixel on traditional displays), but monochromatic light has only 1 dimension to vary for color. [1]: https://en.wikipedi…

Ha, yea, in particular these monochromatic pixels can't simply be white. Notably ctrl-f'ing for "white" gives zero results on this page.

Relatedly, the page talks a lot about pixel density, but this confused me: if you swap each R, G, or B LED with an adjustable LED, you naively get a one-time 3x boost in pixel area density, which is a one-time sqrt(3)=1.73x boost in linear resolution. So I think density is really a red herring.

But they also mention mass transfer ("positioning of the red, green and blue chips to form a full-colour pixel") which plausibly is a much bigger effect: If you replace a process that needs to delicately interweave 3 distinct parts with one that lays down a grid of identical (but individually controllable) parts, you potentially get a much bigger manufacturing efficiency improvement that could go way beyond 3x. I think that's probably the better sales pitch.

Re: Polychromatic Pixels

#55
Would be fun if displays come full circle with variable addressable geometry/ glowing goo too.

Not quite vector display, but some thing organic than can be adressed with some stimulators like reaction-diffusion or gaussian, FFT, laplacians, gabor filters, Turig patterns, etc. Get fancy patterns with lowest amount of data.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092547739... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-148X.2010...

Re: Polychromatic Pixels

#57

A single wavelength can't reproduce all visible colors. These pixels are variable wavelength, but can only produce one at a time, so you'd still need at least 2 of these pixels to reproduce any visible color. The fundamental problem is that color space is 2D[1] (color + brightness is 3D, hence 3 subpixel on traditional displays), but monochromatic light has only 1 dimension to vary for color. [1]: https://en.wikipedi…

It can produce all the colors of the rainbow. But no magenta. Perhaps they can quickly pulse the LED enough between multiple wavelengths.

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_color

This reminds me of the observation I had in high school that I could immerse LEDs in liquid nitrogen and run them at higher than usual voltage and watch the color change.

I got a PhD in condensed matter physics later on but never got a really good understanding of the phenomenon but I think it has something to do with

https://www.digikey.com/en/articles/identifying-the-causes-o...

Here is a video of people doing it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PquJdIK_z8

Re: Polychromatic Pixels

#58

A single wavelength can't reproduce all visible colors. These pixels are variable wavelength, but can only produce one at a time, so you'd still need at least 2 of these pixels to reproduce any visible color. The fundamental problem is that color space is 2D[1] (color + brightness is 3D, hence 3 subpixel on traditional displays), but monochromatic light has only 1 dimension to vary for color. [1]: https://en.wikipedi…

It can produce all the colors of the rainbow. But no magenta. Perhaps they can quickly pulse the LED enough between multiple wavelengths.

It also can't produce white or anything else in the interior of this diagram (as well as, as you mention, shades of magenta and purple that lie on the flat lower edge):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Planckia...

Re: Polychromatic Pixels

#59

I didn't realize we even had a discrete LED tunable across the visible spectrum, let alone a Micro-LED array of them. Anybody know where I can buy one? I want to build a hyperspectral imager.

Do you mean hyperspectral imager (i.e., camera), or a hyperspectral display?

Re: Polychromatic Pixels

#60
post #18

Hm, thinking about this further, this would need dithering to work properly (which probably works fine, but the perceived quality difference would mean pixel density comparisons aren't apples-to-apples) Presumably, you get to control hue and brightness per-pixel. But that only gives you access to a thin slice of the sRGB gamut (i.e. the parts of HSL where saturation is maxed out), but dithering can solve that. Coming…

> only gives you access to a thin slice of the sRGB gamut (i.e. the parts of HSL where saturation is maxed out)

Note that even if we restrict our attention to the max-saturation curve, these pixels can't produce shades of purple/magneta (unless, as you say, they use temporal dithering or some other trick).

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