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Re: Saving months of compute time with a single Grafana query

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> Spending serious engineering time to wrangle with the complexities of cloud orchestration is not something that should be taken lightly. Bare metal and datacenter orchestration is leaps and bounds more complex. You're paying for the abstraction.

If your scale is crazy, or your product doesn't allow you to use battle-tested pieces, then orchestration is complex in both cases. In most cases, managing software on bare metal is more complex in exactly one case: when engineers only know cloud abstractions.

after working at a cloud provider, I would say:

1. managing compute clusters has gotten a lot easier but managing storage clusters and running good storage products for block & object storage on them is very very very far from a solved problem and quite frankly it sucks and is not fun.

2. planning out buying, installing, upgrading, patching, and retiring hardware, server/hypervisor OSs, takes waaaaaaaaay more engineering management skill and experience than 99.9% of companies have. Plus you probably have to fight for every dollar of investment against a board / investors. Even at the cloud provider we were constantly getting kneecapped by upper management not wanting to spend money on hardware.

Re: Saving months of compute time with a single Grafana query

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your scale is crazy, or your product doesn't allow you to use battle-tested pieces, then orchestration is complex in both cases. In most cases, managing software on bare metal is more complex in exactly one case: when engineers only know cloud abstractions.

Yeah calling the EC2 API is definitely more complex than leasing datacenter space, purchasing racks of hardware, deploying a fault tolerant and secure network, capturing and managing offsite backups, dealing with hardware component failures, etc.

Serious question, are you familiar with dedicated hosting?

Re: Saving months of compute time with a single Grafana query

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The best advantage of cloud was never price: It was not having to argue with your data center organization, which often lead to taking months to provision anything, even a very boring VM. If those companies were good at managing data centers, and could hire people actually interested in helping the company run, they'd have had little need for the cloud in predictable compute loads. Until you get quite big, all necess…

The other advantage was for moving off-prem. Cap-Ex vs Op-Ex. That was the reason one of my past employers switched. Another past employer switched because we hit our scale up limit, and needed to start scaling out. A small refactor allowed us to scale out, and we moved to azure's managed database, queue, and blob storage. The web frontend could scale based on connections, and the queue and blob storage was slower th…

The last part really resonates with me. Ironically, the small businesses always seem to start first in the cloud.

Always felt I was too stupid to see what everyone is so excited about.

Re: Saving months of compute time with a single Grafana query

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other advantage was for moving off-prem. Cap-Ex vs Op-Ex. That was the reason one of my past employers switched. Another past employer switched because we hit our scale up limit, and needed to start scaling out. A small refactor allowed us to scale out, and we moved to azure's managed database, queue, and blob storage. The web frontend could scale based on connections, and the queue and blob storage was slower th…

The last part really resonates with me. Ironically, the small businesses always seem to start first in the cloud. Always felt I was too stupid to see what everyone is so excited about.

Based on the lack of upvotes on the comment, I guess I'm also too stupid to understand why "cloud" is better than "not cloud".
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