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Post by dartharva »

drekk wrote: post #38
financltravsty wrote: post #37

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These are not trans people like you see in the anglosphere. The same way Alexander the Great or Telemachus or Sappho or any other ancient Mediterranean were not gay in the modern sense. Western culture's version of trans/gay/lesbian/LGBTQ+ (awful term imo) is an artifact of that culture. And just because we look and act the same as others does not mean we are. It's like lumping the Middle East into one category -- wh…

I think it's really close-minded to stereotype millions of trans people and treat them like a monolith. Culture shapes behavior sure, but trans people globally operate under similar constraints. Whether or not you consider yourself part of the global or LGBTQ+ community is pretty irrelevant to bigots. There's no way for you to appease or become "respectable" in their eyes, even if you throw trans people under the bus…

> but trans people globally operate under similar constraints

Wrong. Absolutely not. There is nothing similar between the lives of a trans person in the Middle East or South Asia and those in the West.

Re: Indian airline gives female travelers option to choose seats next to women

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Post by dragonwriter »

dartharva wrote: post #51
drekk wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's really close-minded to stereotype millions of trans people and treat them like a monolith. Culture shapes behavior sure, but trans people globally operate under similar constraints. Whether or not you consider yourself part of the global or LGBTQ+ community is pretty irrelevant to bigots. There's no way for you to appease or become "respectable" in their eyes, even if you throw trans people under the bus…

> but trans people globally operate under similar constraints Wrong. Absolutely not. There is nothing similar between the lives of a trans person in the Middle East or South Asia and those in the West.

> There is nothing similar between the lives of a trans person in the Middle East or South Asia and those in the West.

I don't have first hand knowledge, but actual trans people I've heard from who have lived in both South Asia and the West and are in community with trans people on both sides of that divide do not echo that sentiment, and particularly this upthread idea, "These are not trans people like you see in the anglosphere", has been attributed to a combination of a extremely similar (but with different local names used) process of third-sexing in both South Asian and anglo cultures plus orientalism applied by anglo observers to South Asian cultures and the third-sexing going on within it.

Re: Indian airline gives female travelers option to choose seats next to women

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Post by wkat4242 »

dartharva wrote: post #50
wkat4242 wrote: post #44

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Wow some of these practices were in place in the Netherlands in the 50s when the country was still very traditional (also, women in a government job were forced to resign when they married) but I'm so glad they are no longer the case. Like not being allowed to live together without being married. And of course now the whole gender thing is not as black and white anymore anyway. E.g. gender neutral toilets, there's no…

Many say this cultural stigma and discomfort against casual interactions with the opposite gender is the main source behind the "pervy Indian male" stereotype. It is natural that a man won't have a comfortable presence around women if he was simply never raised with healthy female interactions, and such cases are unfortunately prevalent in rural India. But it is true that there are extreme differences regarding this…

> But it is true that there are extreme differences regarding this across the diverse sections of Indian society. The tech/management crowd in cities like Bangalore and Hyderabad is practically indistinguishable in its tendencies as against similar crowds in the West, for example.

Yes I think also that Modi's conservative success is based on this, a lot of the rural hindus seem to view the tech centres as "cities of sin" and view them as running out of control. It is a very diverse country of course. They don't all emancipate at the same speed.

> LOL, Is there some kind of massive inheritence waiting for your friends that they stand to lose if they don't get married on time?

No, they come from pretty humble backgrounds generally, but the prospect of losing touch with their family is a much bigger deterrent as far as I understand.

One of my friends said her family wasn't really to blame either, as they would be ostracised in the village too. Not even for her 'living in sin' so to say (I'm not sure if that's even a thing there) but because her family attended many wedding parties and it's expected to reciprocate. There's a lot of social pressure on them too. At least this is how I understood it. I'm sure my understanding is coloured through the lens of my western background.

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Post by greenyies »

viking123 wrote: post #43
greenyies wrote: post #25

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Equality doesn't mean that everything is equal. If you are 6'5 heigh equality could mean that smaller people sit or stand in front of you. For woman it doesn't mean they have to go to military but could.

I don't really get the military part tbh. When I went to army back in my country where it was only mandatory for men (but they always love preaching about equality), many of the men were such slobs that random women would have been much better suited for it.

It's one of many examples were people get a wrong assumption if what equally has to mean.

Allowing woman or enabling them to do 'men' things doesn't mean they have to do the exact thing as men. Like carrying the same weight.

I'm not dismissive about woman in military at all but I'm also not in a country like Israel were it is common to have woman.

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Post by [deleted] »

financltravsty wrote: post #37
hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #27

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You’re just downright uninformed then. See, e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathoey Perhaps you consider it a fad because increasing visibility in Western culture/resulting culture war pushback has just now brought it to your personal attention. Just because you haven’t personally noticed them doesn’t mean trans people haven’t existed for hundreds of years in different capacities all over the globe.

These are not trans people like you see in the anglosphere. The same way Alexander the Great or Telemachus or Sappho or any other ancient Mediterranean were not gay in the modern sense. Western culture's version of trans/gay/lesbian/LGBTQ+ (awful term imo) is an artifact of that culture. And just because we look and act the same as others does not mean we are. It's like lumping the Middle East into one category -- wh…

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

GOD_Over_Djinn wrote: post #47
viking123 wrote: post #42

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I really don't understand these men who send the dick picks. Like does it actually work with some women? In my experience women tend to be very different to men in that regard, but I guess it has work some time because so many keep always doing it. I just find it really repulsive.

The purpose is not for it to “work”. The men who do this have not had success with women, and have grown frustrated and resentful. They feel powerless in this area. The only way they can reclaim power and feel better about themselves is to harass, intimidate, or harm women.

This hypothesis does not sound plausible and tells more about your own world view than anything else.

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

greenyies wrote: post #25
egorfine wrote: post #21

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So, gender equality is seen as a moral right and is required by law in some countries, while the same is seen as a sin and is forbidden by law in others.

Equality doesn't mean that everything is equal. If you are 6'5 heigh equality could mean that smaller people sit or stand in front of you. For woman it doesn't mean they have to go to military but could.

So, in your words "equality" does not mean "everything is equal" and you mention "military" as an example. Did I get that right? You think that requiring half of the population - purely by gender - to perform forced labor for 12 months... is an example of "equality"? I would say it's a rather blatant example of inequality!

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Post by anticensor »

solardev wrote: post #34
grantsh wrote: post #30

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This is what happens when you leave decisions with social consequences to engineers... they end up optimizing to strange anti-social characteristics at the cost of any sort of social reality.

We could save even more space if we hooked up seating arrangements to TSA body scanners. Using body outlines, seating could be dynamically adjusted before boarding to ensure each passenger can optimally interlock legs with their neighbors. Lap sizes can determine the ideal vertical stacking, with overhead bins removed to save space now that the top passenger can hold all the carryon. This approach might take a bit of…

Oh, that's just standing passengers except they sit. May be acceptable in an intra-urban plane, but not on the long distance.

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Post by Giorgi »

ToxicMegacolon wrote: post #48
Giorgi wrote: post #14

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At least they are doing something about it. Unlike the US where school kids get shot on a regular basis and they are all completely in denial of it. Not even Taliban does that.

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