How can they use the Sora name, isn’t that trademarked?
Quite possibly: https://bike.shimano.com/en-US/product/component/sora-r3000....
The domain matters. You probably can sell a car called Sora, but not AI video models or bike parts.
Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs
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Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs
#52I was forwarded a message just moments ago by my mother, a 5 second Facebook video, clearly AI generated - and I suspect Open Sora.
More AI slop for everyone.
Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you think for more than a few seconds on the matter, you quickly realise that intellectual property is a moral necessity, because intellectual expropriation (which is what you are really talking about) would destroy a major incentive for positive contributions to society. Everything political is rooted in morality, and while it is easy to point out political challenges on the topic, intellectual property is ethica…
Most of the great art was created in a world without intellectual property, or with no effective IP enforcement on that art. While I don’t think all IP should be abolished, I think in general there is too much of it, protected for too long, and society would be better off getting rid of patents and dramatically downsizing copyright to at most a few decades of protection. (And yes I have thought a lot on this matter.…
I tend to agree with your takeaway, but I want to pick a nit on your point about great art being made without copyright.
"The Most Powerful Idea in the World" basically makes the case that intellectual property is what enabled the Industrial Revolution. I won't try to summarize or defend the entire thing here, but I think it makes a very compelling case that the notion of "owning ideas as property" was the thing that made Britain unique (among other factors of course) and led to runaway technological explosion. It points out how in earlier times, inventors were literally killed for coming up with better methods that threatened some established system. So there is a big difference between art and technology there, and while I think debating the merits of copyright as it pertains to art is valid (and 100% agree it's overdone in our current system), I'm not convinced the current issues are serious enough to undermine the entire concept of intellectual property.
Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you think for more than a few seconds on the matter, you quickly realise that intellectual property is a moral necessity, because intellectual expropriation (which is what you are really talking about) would destroy a major incentive for positive contributions to society. Everything political is rooted in morality, and while it is easy to point out political challenges on the topic, intellectual property is ethica…
Most of the great art was created in a world without intellectual property, or with no effective IP enforcement on that art. While I don’t think all IP should be abolished, I think in general there is too much of it, protected for too long, and society would be better off getting rid of patents and dramatically downsizing copyright to at most a few decades of protection. (And yes I have thought a lot on this matter.…
Most of the great art was created in a world without intellectual property
It was also created at a time when copying work was almost as hard and expensive as creating it.
Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs
#55"pretty good" is definitely one point of view... all those videos look very blobby and morph-y
If you want to make an adjective out of an English noun, just add a 'y' directly to the end of it, e.g. 'morphy'.
The hyphen is erroneous here: 'morph-y' would be pronounced like 'morph why', and has the structure of a compound modifier without making any sense as one.
Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs
#56It actually seems to look pretty terrible.
Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which is a positive turn of events. Intellectual property as a concept needs to go.
Why is that the case? The way its implemented is no longer fit for today's world, but as a concept? That's a whole other story.
IP is a huge drag on the progress of mankind.
Ideally there would other ways than economical to facilitate production of intellectual goods. Ownership economies are exceptionally bad in non-scarce resources.
There are some alternative and less destructive ways to handle the economy already in place. Academic institutions generally don't claim or enforce IP (paywalls are more a corporate than academic thing). Many library systems pay authors (notably not the publishers) for each loan from public funds. Open source software is funded via services (and increasingly with ads, which is not necessarily great).
State enforced monopoly on ideas or lumps of matter isn't the only way of structuring the economy. Alternatives haven't been discussed in 30 or so years, so it's understandable that many have hard time even conceptualizing such.
Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs
#58I know it’s probably using < 1000x compute of the real Sora, but “pretty good” is stretching it
Depends on your frame of reference. Compared to anything else I've seen generated on a consumer grade GPU, I'd say these are are indeed pretty good. Here's their example gallery: https://hpcaitech.github.io/Open-Sora/ Compared to the outputs from other models run on consumer grade GPUs, I'd say those are very good.
What's the useful frame of reference?
Looking better than other things that are also bad is sort interesting in that it represents progress in some direction, but it isn't very interesting to people outside of the topic.
Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs
#59Anybody else a bit scared for how this tech will impact people? It seems quite far reaching. Job loss from video production and film. Ease of spreading misinformation, lies and propaganda. I could even see less investment in physical infrastructure as real world experiences get replaced by generated video. Scary stuff.
A hammer can be used to hit nails or bash skulls. There are billions of hammers.
Hammers don't kill people, people kill people
... with hammers
Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs
#60Anybody else completely apathetic towards all of this? I'm so fed up with the morally-bankrupt Sam Altman and Open AI as a whole that by the time another one of these "Hey, check out the latest blah blah AI blah!!" gets posted, my first (and often lasting) impression "meh".
For me it's more than apathetic - for example when I'm encountering content which is illustrated with AI-generated images I noticed that I'm subconsciously downgrading it's quality right away - for sure it's wrong because that's classic example of judging book by the cover and even some good quality OS software on GH and/or good tech blogs with proven record use AI-generated content for illustrative purposes - howeve…
I think it’s reasonable. You weigh the quality of content by the amount of effort its creator put into creating it.
Has nothing to do with AI directly.