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Re: Coup Attempt in Bolivia

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Post by kragen »

pessimizer wrote: post #15
kragen wrote: post #10

it sounds like the kirchners' allies in bolivia are going through the kind of crisis we were headed for here in argentina before they lost power here in the election in november. not that we aren't still in a crisis, but we have two things going for us: 1. recognizing the wrongheadedness of the kirchners' policies, we elected an opposition leader who favors capitalism. unfortunately, he's a total nutbag, and his advo…

Peronism is weird and incomparable with other non-right wing movements. Argentina's modern history is largely defined by left-wing Peronists vs. right-wing Peronists. Hence, you can't evaluate other countries governments based on whether they're aligned with the Kirchners or not, it says almost nothing other than they're not on the extreme right. You have to judge them on their own terms.

the policies that led to the bolivian crisis were the same policies the kirchnerists were applying in argentina; it was an ideological alliance, not one of convenience

Re: Coup Attempt in Bolivia

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Post by aredox »

tptacek wrote: post #24
tmpz22 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US involvement in South America is arguably the leading cause of the current instabilities in the region. It is not the sole factor but in order to understand the geopolitics of the region must be taken into account. Knowledge of these US involvements are often not well known in my experience. Consider for example the role of American legislation and consumption in the drug trade and the resulting immigration and cri…

Bolivia has been independent since 1825 and has since then experienced over 190 coups. Nobody can whitewash US involvement in South and Central America in the 20th century, but the US is not the sole cause of Bolivian instability. Perhaps it makes more sense to blame colonialism, which set up the unstable rural/urban indigenous/white duality that has made the place so fragile.

Exactly.

And remember that each coup "masterminded" by the USA has found more than willing accomplices in each country, every time. (And one could argue that in many cases, if the US didn't do it, the USSR would have - but I recognize with honesty that does not apply to 100% of the cases, Chile especially).

Maybe it is time for those countries to take a good hard look at themselves.

Re: Coup Attempt in Bolivia

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Post by busterarm »

yieldcrv wrote: post #39
jeremyjh wrote: post #34

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you’re asking people to prove a negative for reasons that are irrelevant and inconsequential, aside from your hardon for pointing out that the US coup’d some folks

Hey, a whole class of "political commentators" like Hasanabi have made whole careers off reframing every possible conversation around the braindead regurgitation of "America bad".

And internet echo chambers are so bad that it substitutes for thoughtful commentary.

Re: Coup Attempt in Bolivia

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Post by lottin »

localfirst wrote: post #47
Aerbil313 wrote: post #18

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Democracy doesn't work in a US-dominant world. My country is nowhere near Africa yet there have been 7 coup attemps, 4 successful, most backed by US in her 100 year history[2]. The last one didn't succeed and the US is currently protecting the leader of the attempt, refusing to give him us back. Arab leaders are likewise domestically widely regarded as sockpuppets of the USA. On the rare occasion a democratic electio…

im noticing lately that comments critical of America is routinely downvoted here. All of what you wrote holds true.

I think blaming the US every time a developing nation screws up is a little bit of a tired trope.

Re: Coup Attempt in Bolivia

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

strstr wrote: post #20
teleforce wrote: post #19

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What does this have to do with the article?

According to wikipedia maybe:

Government of Luis Arce: 2020 - present

On 8 November 2020, Luis Arce was sworn in as President of Bolivia alongside his Vice President David Choquehuanca.[103] In February 2021, the Arce government returned an amount of around $351 million to the IMF. This comprised a loan of $327 million taken out by the interim government in April 2020 and interest of around $24 million. The government said it returned the loan to protect Bolivia's economic sovereignty and because the conditions attached to the loan were unacceptable.[95]

Re: Coup Attempt in Bolivia

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Post by xtracto »

localfirst wrote: post #47
Aerbil313 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Democracy doesn't work in a US-dominant world. My country is nowhere near Africa yet there have been 7 coup attemps, 4 successful, most backed by US in her 100 year history[2]. The last one didn't succeed and the US is currently protecting the leader of the attempt, refusing to give him us back. Arab leaders are likewise domestically widely regarded as sockpuppets of the USA. On the rare occasion a democratic electio…

im noticing lately that comments critical of America is routinely downvoted here. All of what you wrote holds true.

Lately? HN is a forum derived from an American company and promoting Silicon Valley culture. Most of the points of view of everything (not only politics) are strongly skewed towards American culture and beliefs. I would find it surprising if it was different .

Re: Coup Attempt in Bolivia

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Post by MaxHoppersGhost »

tmpz22 wrote: post #21
strstr wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does this have to do with the article?

US involvement in South America is arguably the leading cause of the current instabilities in the region. It is not the sole factor but in order to understand the geopolitics of the region must be taken into account. Knowledge of these US involvements are often not well known in my experience. Consider for example the role of American legislation and consumption in the drug trade and the resulting immigration and cri…

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Re: Coup Attempt in Bolivia

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Post by teractiveodular »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #59
teleforce wrote: post #19

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What's necessary for who, exactly? Because some of those coups were for reasons like blocking land reform to ensure that the United Fruit Company can keep making money hand over fist in Guatemala.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27%C3%A...

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