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Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

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Re: Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

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Post by romwell »

ein0p wrote: post #49
romwell wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The US invaded 7 different countries and killed upwards of a million civilians by some estimates in this century alone. Should the same measures be applied to it, or is it “different” and I “don’t understand” By the countries the US invaded, during the invasion - you bet. >How about Israel? I'm guessing Iran isn't a big user of Israeli software.

The US is a major user of Israeli software and hardware though, Mossad notwithstanding. Seems imprudent from the “national security” perspective

Last time I checked, Israel wasn't waging a war with the US or any of the countries US allies or partners with for security.

Conversely, the US and Israel are security partners.

How much mental gymnastics does one have to do to ignore the fact that the entire thing is about Russia waging a war in which the US is on the other side?

Re: Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

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Post by ein0p »

romwell wrote: post #51
ein0p wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is a major user of Israeli software and hardware though, Mossad notwithstanding. Seems imprudent from the “national security” perspective

Last time I checked, Israel wasn't waging a war with the US or any of the countries US allies or partners with for security. Conversely, the US and Israel are security partners. How much mental gymnastics does one have to do to ignore the fact that the entire thing is about Russia waging a war in which the US is on the other side ?

Israel controls US foreign policy lock stock and barrel, and increasingly its domestic policy as well. If there ever was a threat to national security, this is it.

Re: Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

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Post by TiredOfLife »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #53
TiredOfLife wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have sources of Symantec working for russian military?

You probably think intentionally missing the analogy is clever.

It would be an analogy if US currently was in the middle of exterminating a nation.

Re: Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

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Post by racional »

ein0p wrote: post #52
romwell wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I checked, Israel wasn't waging a war with the US or any of the countries US allies or partners with for security. Conversely, the US and Israel are security partners. How much mental gymnastics does one have to do to ignore the fact that the entire thing is about Russia waging a war in which the US is on the other side ?

Israel controls US foreign policy lock stock and barrel, and increasingly its domestic policy as well. If there ever was a threat to national security, this is it.

The formulation you've chosen here is rather crudely hyperbolic, and not particularly helpful.

"Israel controls certain aspects of ..." would be somewhat more in the direction of a fair statement. But it's still not accurate. It's definitely quite fair to talk about something called the "Israel lobby", which by definition is made up of American citizens, and not even necessarily Jewish, which obviously does exert a great degree of control over, to be clear -- certain aspects of policy within the U.S.

But the Israeli government per se does not.

Re: Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

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Post by racional »

racional wrote: post #55
ein0p wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel controls US foreign policy lock stock and barrel, and increasingly its domestic policy as well. If there ever was a threat to national security, this is it.

The formulation you've chosen here is rather crudely hyperbolic, and not particularly helpful. "Israel controls certain aspects of ..." would be somewhat more in the direction of a fair statement. But it's still not accurate. It's definitely quite fair to talk about something called the "Israel lobby", which by definition is made up of American citizens, and not even necessarily Jewish, which obviously does exert a g…

But the Israeli government per se does not.

Though we may need to qualify that:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/24/israel...

Re: Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

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Post by romwell »

ein0p wrote: post #52
romwell wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I checked, Israel wasn't waging a war with the US or any of the countries US allies or partners with for security. Conversely, the US and Israel are security partners. How much mental gymnastics does one have to do to ignore the fact that the entire thing is about Russia waging a war in which the US is on the other side ?

Israel controls US foreign policy lock stock and barrel, and increasingly its domestic policy as well. If there ever was a threat to national security, this is it.

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Re: Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

#58

Post by romwell »

racional wrote: post #56
racional wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The formulation you've chosen here is rather crudely hyperbolic, and not particularly helpful. "Israel controls certain aspects of ..." would be somewhat more in the direction of a fair statement. But it's still not accurate. It's definitely quite fair to talk about something called the "Israel lobby", which by definition is made up of American citizens, and not even necessarily Jewish, which obviously does exert a g…

But the Israeli government per se does not. Though we may need to qualify that: https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/24/israel...

Yes, government engages in PR work.

How unusual.

Re: Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

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Post by racional »

romwell wrote: post #58
racional wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the Israeli government per se does not. Though we may need to qualify that: https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/24/israel...

Yes, government engages in PR work. How unusual.

Depends what you mean by "public relations":

Haaretz and the New York Times recently revealed that Chikli’s ministry had tapped a public relations firm to secretly pressure American lawmakers. The firm used hundreds of fake accounts posting pro-Israel or anti-Muslim content on X (formerly Twitter), Facebook and Instagram.

Re: Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

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Post by romwell »

racional wrote: post #59
romwell wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, government engages in PR work. How unusual.

Depends what you mean by "public relations": Haaretz and the New York Times recently revealed that Chikli’s ministry had tapped a public relations firm to secretly pressure American lawmakers. The firm used hundreds of fake accounts posting pro-Israel or anti-Muslim content on X (formerly Twitter), Facebook and Instagram.

Oh no, not the FB an Instagram posts! By a public relations[1] firm, at that.

Posting content on social media is totally an example of checks notes[2]

>"Israel controls US foreign policy lock stock and barrel, and increasingly its domestic policy as well. If there ever was a threat to national security, this is it."

I am now absolutely convinced that Israel is an evil regime, very different from any other government on planet Earth.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40756391

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