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Re: Instagram Recommends Sexual Videos to Accounts for 13-Year-Olds, Tests Show

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Post by sandworm101 »

fallingfrog wrote: post #29
pizzathyme wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason for the US government banning TikTok is not that TikTok is a worse product (it is superior). The reason is that it is a massive geopolitical risk. People often conflate these two.

How is it a risk?? Are the communists cackling with glee as they steal all those 30 second clips of teens doing the cinnamon challenge?

If your algorithm can convince large numbers kids to snort cinnamon and eat tide pods for dinner, bending their perceptions enough for them to vote or not vote for something would be a piece of cake.

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Post by infecto »

fragmede wrote: post #24
infecto wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you are saying that TikTok US shares zero code to TikTok China? I never suggested that data is going back to China but my engineering mind jumps immediately to the backends sharing code albeit deployed from two different companies and regions. China is famous for its fast and efficient censorship in social media and assume this ability would transfer to the US.

How often have you seen gore or CSAM on Facebook?

Did you reply to the correct thread? What does this have to do with TikTok China vs US

Re: Instagram Recommends Sexual Videos to Accounts for 13-Year-Olds, Tests Show

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Post by s5300 »

avgDev wrote: post #44
Spivak wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess but I had unfiltered access to the internet starting around this age and it was fine. There were two stages of my life, too young to understand or have any desire for sexual content, and old enough to want and seek out sexual content. At 13 I was well into the second stage and it's super weird how we pretend that tweens and teens aren't horny as hell despite all of us having lived through the hormonal onslaug…

What do you mean by "it wasn't super serious"? Sex is seriously some serious business. Pornography definitely caused issues for me. It isn't an accurate representation of a healthy sexual relationship.

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Post by s5300 »

doublerabbit wrote: post #43
Spivak wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess but I had unfiltered access to the internet starting around this age and it was fine. There were two stages of my life, too young to understand or have any desire for sexual content, and old enough to want and seek out sexual content. At 13 I was well into the second stage and it's super weird how we pretend that tweens and teens aren't horny as hell despite all of us having lived through the hormonal onslaug…

Meanwhile I encountered the wrong, extreme side of porn at 15. And it spiraled from there. It really caused me issues in my twenties and its only now in my thirties that I finally feel I can start to bury the ashes. I'm on track, I've eliminated what I was obsessed with and still fighting the last of the demons. I'm not who I was and it's been an insane hard task to change myself. I understand why people don't. That'…

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Re: Instagram Recommends Sexual Videos to Accounts for 13-Year-Olds, Tests Show

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Post by dkarl »

cue_the_strings wrote: post #6

I'm genuinely curious, how old were you when you were first exposed to sexual content? I think I was like 7 or 8. Like, we had a channel ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTV_Palma ) publicly broadcasting porn after midnight (I don't remember watching that) and all the older (~15YO) kids around the neighborhood were collecting porn magazines from who knows where and hiding them around in "caches". I remember all the ol…

I was exposed to porn before I was even interested. I think I was seven. My friend's parents had the complete cable package that carried all the channels the local provider offered (which at the time I think was around thirty channels) and one of them showed porn. I only saw it once when I slept over, so I don't know if it was a dedicated porn channel or if it was just late night. The few minutes I saw was soft core, but looking back in retrospect, I'm pretty sure it was leading up to a hard core scene. My friend was also seven, but he seemed pretty obsessed with it. I left him to it and played video games instead, and I never slept over again.

I didn't get exposed to porn after that until a couple of high school trips where we got to stay in hotel rooms and of course figured out how to access the pay-per-view porn. But that was it. The "inspiration" for my teenaged solo sexual activities came from catalogs with models in lingerie, relatively tame TV, the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issues, tennis magazines, and my imagination. The closest thing I had to porn when I lived with my parents was pausing a rented VHS tape of an R-rated movie, on one of the rare occasions when I had the house to myself.

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

cue_the_strings wrote: post #6

I'm genuinely curious, how old were you when you were first exposed to sexual content? I think I was like 7 or 8. Like, we had a channel ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTV_Palma ) publicly broadcasting porn after midnight (I don't remember watching that) and all the older (~15YO) kids around the neighborhood were collecting porn magazines from who knows where and hiding them around in "caches". I remember all the ol…

Culture around this stuff is completely different in the Anglo-American world, for one. Europeans are accustomed to nudity and the like everywhere, and it's not even particularly ... anything.

But also, 1980s porn magazines or whatever are very different from today's porn content. A brief visit to any of the free "tube" sites exposes you immediately to a level of intensity that you wouldn't get from Playboy or Penthouse in the 80s. Right on the front page you'll find choking, incest ("stepdaughter"), BSDM, etc.

I don't particularly want my teenage son traipsing into that before the context and patterns of healthy mature sexual relationships have been established.

But more than anything, I don't want it pushed on him.

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Post by throwaway173738 »

aydyn wrote: post #21
throwway120385 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe using opaque algorithms to score and assign prominence to specific content based on ill-defined metrics like "engagement" was a mistake.

If an algorithm correctly determines content that will keep a person interested, and that content is, lets say problematic, isn't that an issue with the person not the algorithm?

My mom is currently struggling to quit drinking and Facebook is constantly showing her ads for White Claw. Expecting her to navigate that during withdrawals and recovery is completely insane.

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Post by jchung »

game_the0ry wrote: post #28

I am disappointed that parents allow 13 year olds to have iphones + social media accounts. The downsides have been well-documented. [1] Can we all collectively get together and say "no" to that stuff until like 18? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI6rX96oYnY

I have kids who will soon be teens. They don't have phones yet, but I can see the decision looming: my ability to communicate / coordinate with them plus the fact that a huge portion of their social life will migrate online on one hand vs. all of the dangers on the other.

This is why a lot of parents start with smart watches or restricted phones. They try to get the communication / coordination benefits without the online social risks. But that only lasts so long.

I'm not sure how I'll navigate it. Probably not by saying "no to that stuff until 18".

Re: Instagram Recommends Sexual Videos to Accounts for 13-Year-Olds, Tests Show

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Post by throwaway173738 »

degmee wrote: post #50
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a dealer correctly determines that crack will keep a person interested, and that crack is, let's say problematic, isn't that an issue with the person not the crack?

We appear to be arguing over semantics. The points being raised here are variations of the following questions: how much is a human life worth, and whose responsibility is it to preserve that life? If you want to poison yourself, is anyone under any obligation to stop you from finding or giving you that poison?

Let’s stop with the semantics and get down to specifics.
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