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Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by FabHK »

wickedsickeune wrote: post #29
darby_nine wrote: post #3

I find it somewhat disturbing that this sort of thing is not considered a career killer for politicians.

In Greece, we recently elected as representatives for the EU Parliament: * a 71 year old lady, with no social media and no public speeches ever. * a guy who used a nickname for his last name, that matched with a military general (who is well known), and many people thought he was the general * a "journalist" that was caught twice talking on live TV, conversing with a pre-recorded video * a convicted criminal It's imp…

While your other examples are damning, I see nothing wrong with an elderly politician without social media profiles.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by FabHK »

blumomo wrote: post #42
Semaphor wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost nothing is. Local politicians fail upwards to the EU (at least in Germany) or some private job, if they fail at all. Most of the time, you can do what you want, and the voters don’t care.

Those not yet brain washed voters do actually care. But then there are the „Wahlhelfer“ who openly proud themselves in Twitter to invalidate votes for parties they disagree with. This is democracy?

Sources?

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by vladvasiliu »

lukan wrote: post #26
Semaphor wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost nothing is. Local politicians fail upwards to the EU (at least in Germany) or some private job, if they fail at all. Most of the time, you can do what you want, and the voters don’t care.

"and the voters don’t care." Then why did so many vote extremist anti EU? There just has been EU election in germany and the nationalist gained a lot. And none of the big parties otherwise said a clear no to that, so what could I do, except vote a small party against that, but too small to really do something? Voters care. But they see often no point in voting anymore.

How many people did actually bother to vote in Germany?

Here in France, the "extremists" got a bit over 30% of votes. But turnout was only 51%.

According to [0] average turnout is 51%. Some countries have very high numbers (IIRC voting is mandatory in Belgium?), others ridiculously low. This, to me, means pretty much that "voters don't care".

[0] https://results.elections.europa.eu/en/turnout/

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by FabHK »

sprash wrote: post #44

"Chat Control" is already real. This is just codifying prevalent practice done by a multitude of agencies into law.

Sorry, is there any evidence that E2EE eg in WhatsApp, Signal, etc. is routinely broken? I am not talking about exceptional hacking of phones of individual high-value targets for surveillance by nation-state-level actors, but mass surveillance.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by etrvic »

> Besides, there’s no way of really knowing whether Chat Control would actually be (or remain) limited to CSAM.

I definitely agree with the article here. Probably after Chat Control will be implemented for CSAM this would act as a gateway towards using this tehnology for other things.

I am curious whether chat control will extend to mail or other means of online comunication, if it will be implemented ofc(hopefully not).

I’ll probably start communicating with my friends over phone more either way, I don’t want my conversations to be monitored 24/7.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by HPsquared »

wickedsickeune wrote: post #29
darby_nine wrote: post #3

I find it somewhat disturbing that this sort of thing is not considered a career killer for politicians.

In Greece, we recently elected as representatives for the EU Parliament: * a 71 year old lady, with no social media and no public speeches ever. * a guy who used a nickname for his last name, that matched with a military general (who is well known), and many people thought he was the general * a "journalist" that was caught twice talking on live TV, conversing with a pre-recorded video * a convicted criminal It's imp…

Goes to show how disengaged the voters are.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by simianparrot »

ricardobeat wrote: post #49
blumomo wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then why did so many vote extremist anti EU? Is the EU really a benefit to the people? Or is it a shit pool full of scum bags providing quite some damage to societies?

All things considered I think that’s a strong yes. Open borders, free trade, technological collaboration, and shared health, industry and consumer regulations help accelerate economic development. Can’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

First two have been utter disasters however, and are directly affecting people on a daily basis now. Here in Scandinavia it’s coming to a head but it’s a similar story further south, in Germany in particular.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by neugiergiraffe »

Can someone explain to me why, over time, democratic states tend to drift into mass surveillance ?

Is it beacuse a lot of people feel unsafe or is it because the people supposed to ensure our security see it as the "easiest" or most effective way to do their job?

Is there so much benefit to having a fuctioning mass surveilance apparatus, and if yes, who benefits of it if not the people for whom these rules for in the first place?

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by miroljub »

darby_nine wrote: post #43
miroljub wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They ride the wave and find always some excuse. It was fighting the terrorists until a few years ago, now it's children again. Next year could be to help the climate or protect lbtgqi++ rights.

> Next year could be to help the climate or protect lbtgqi++ rights. Unlikely—this would actually benefit people.

Chat control would benefit people, if they say it's for climate or lbqtg++ protection?

But it won't benefit if they say it's to fight the terror or protect the children?

If you really think that spying is OK, if they have "good enough" excuse, no wonder we get all this shit enacted.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by sakisv »

FabHK wrote: post #51
wickedsickeune wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Greece, we recently elected as representatives for the EU Parliament: * a 71 year old lady, with no social media and no public speeches ever. * a guy who used a nickname for his last name, that matched with a military general (who is well known), and many people thought he was the general * a "journalist" that was caught twice talking on live TV, conversing with a pre-recorded video * a convicted criminal It's imp…

While your other examples are damning, I see nothing wrong with an elderly politician without social media profiles.

You'd be 100% correct if that was the case.

However, the problem is that she is not a politician and she has no public presense whatsoever.

She was chosen by her party, and eventually elected because her last name starts with A which put her near the top of the ballot paper.

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