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Re: The Public Interest Internet

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Honestly, I can't even finish reading through this comment. This is the opposite of idealism - is there a word for it? You seem to be complaining that something is impossible because it can't be implemented in a perfect utopian way. Well, guess what, we already have an implementation of the internet that imperfectly respects "the public good", and it sucks. Let's imagine something better.

> Honestly, I can't even finish reading through this comment. This is the opposite of idealism - is there a word for it? realism

No, it's more like defeatism.

Re: The Public Interest Internet

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In my opinion the first step in a more decentralized internet, or at least a big part in being able to move in that direction would be a system for a global easy system for (micro)payments. That is preferably modelled like cash. (more anonymous). and ubiquitous, they can also be used in the real world. It would be nice for me, if someone reads an article I wrote and they give me ¤0.01 ¤0.001 or something. (Given that…

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Re: The Public Interest Internet

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Thank you! How the hell is anyone supposed to discover things like this?

Good luck designing a UI that includes settings for scrollbar width and other settings of that granularity in which any of those settings are discoverable...

> Good luck designing a UI [with] settings for scrollbar width and [similar] in which any of those settings are discoverable...

Like Windows XP?

ref: https://www.simplehelp.net/2009/08/04/how-to-enlarge-or-shri...

Re: The Public Interest Internet

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> So, say you want to create a new web standard... This and the following image have a misguided understanding of the market. We know how this situation plays out because we ran exactly that experiment in the 2000s with Firefox and IE6. Those market share numbers are contingent on Google doing the best possible job as curators insofar as the userbase can tell. If there are browser features that users want (like tabs)…

Won't the price then be the electricity to prove work (if that's the variety of crypto used, and that question may reveal my ignorance on the subject)?

Re: The Public Interest Internet

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'Compromise' paints an idealistic picture, its often just a euphemism for 'the more powerful/entrenched party gets what they want by default, but they'll let the other side vocally express their frustration to maintain the veneer of an actual conversation.' What you're describing sounds like a top-down restructuring of the internet at large, which is a golden opportunity for any interested party to restructure it in…

Honestly, I can't even finish reading through this comment. This is the opposite of idealism - is there a word for it? You seem to be complaining that something is impossible because it can't be implemented in a perfect utopian way. Well, guess what, we already have an implementation of the internet that imperfectly respects "the public good", and it sucks. Let's imagine something better.

Just take a look at the schism between Japanese Mastodon instances vs Western Mastodon instances and their vehement disagreement on what constitutes pornography and CSAM. These are userbases composed of mostly developed country users with liberal values, high incomes, and varying degrees of social infrastructure. If you can't even get these entities to agree, how do you think you'll get NATO countries onboard, let alone BRICS?

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> Not sure how much consumer self direction was involved. It was entirely consumer self-direction, as neither browser was preinstalled by default on any platform, and all usage of either was initiated by a deliberate end-user choice. "Aggressive marketing" indeed only has its effect through "consumer self-direction" as its whole purpose is to persuade end users to make a purposeful decision.

There were huge campaigns where google was paying per install, many of these installs were surreptitious. When you create standards that only play well in your garden then the only people making decisions are you and the devs writing them, the users either play along or cant use CORPORATE_WEB_APP - hence why IE is STILL around today.

You can do all that, but if you have a noticeable gap in parity on features that users actually care you'll just be the secondary utility browser. Like Internet Explorer traditionally was.

Re: The Public Interest Internet

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I would much prefer the state compete with market actors, not commandeer their operations.

The state has significant advantages when competing against private market actors because it can sustainably fund public goods, due to the fact that its vast tax collection apparatus can capture a much higher proportion of the value generated by public goods than private actors can.

An adequately funded public good has several advantages over private goods:

* Wide public buy-in: Due to the absence of barriers to contribution, such as secret code or restrictive licensing requirements for modifications.

* Generally favorable public perceptions: Public goods often enjoy more trust and support.

If the state provides a compelling option, it can naturally attract users, and without having to impose mandates on existing market options.

This is greatly preferrable to the regulatory approach, which can have unintended consequences that slow innovation and reduce market options. For example, if regulations impose heavy compliance burdens on tech companies, they would divert resources to legal and administrative expenses, leading to less resources for R&D.

Regulatory regimentation to ostensibly achieve some public policy goal, can also prevent companies from experimenting with new ideas and approaches, which ultimately slows the industry's rate of progress.

So by having the state compete rather than regulate coercively, we get the benefits of market-driven innovation while also testing the potential of public goods to provide superior value than what market-provisioned goods can.

Such state-funded public options can also be used to non-coercively bolster open standards, by giving then the critical mass of adoption needed to become market standards.

Re: The Public Interest Internet

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Good luck designing a UI that includes settings for scrollbar width and other settings of that granularity in which any of those settings are discoverable...

> Good luck designing a UI [with] settings for scrollbar width and [similar] in which any of those settings are discoverable... Like Windows XP? ref: https://www.simplehelp.net/2009/08/04/how-to-enlarge-or-shri...

Exactly. Admittedly I was a lot younger then, but I had a hard time finding even relatively simple options in the nested menus and tabs of Windows XP.

Re: The Public Interest Internet

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Chromes replacement of Firefox had more to do with aggressive marketing and deliberate poor performance of their web properties like gmail on non-Google browsers. Not sure how much consumer self direction was involved.

As a user at the time, Chrome just looked better than FF. It was fresh and clean. The logo was brighter, the UI was rounder and clearer. FF looked like a Windows 98 settings menu by comparison. Tiny, fiddly, cramped controls.

Also a user at the time. Chrome was barren, empty, and used too much memory. It used tricks to feel faster yet wasn't significantly better for the sites I used. Chrome was also less customizable.

Re: The Public Interest Internet

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> With crypto we are surely getting to spitting distance of advertisers paying users directly to look at ads instead of paying Google to organise the web such that users look at ads. Who would take that deal? Getting paid $.02 in some cryptocurrency to look at an ad? So that I can then maybe spend more money on the product being advertised? Why would I ever agree to that? It's a bad deal for me. Why would the ad agen…

> Why would I ever agree to that? You're already looking at the ad. $0.02 > $0.00, so the situation is a strict improvement.

No, it isn't. I use AdBlock and generally when I allow ads it's because I have no other way to pay someone who made something I appreciate.

I am happy to pay money to remove ads, but it would take a lot more money paid to me to add them in! Certainly not an amount that would be worth advertisers to pay me.

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