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Group of 17 London secondary schools join up to go smartphone-free

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Re: Group of 17 London secondary schools join up to go smartphone-free

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I know it would complicate things a lot, but are we sure it's smartphones and not social media / "not educational" websites being the issue? If I had a phone with calendar and a to do list, when at school, I might have fared better.

There are enough offline alternative for that, including paper based. Although I keep telling her it can't possibly be good in the long term for her skin, my eldest daughter keeps writing her homework tasks on her skin.

Re: Group of 17 London secondary schools join up to go smartphone-free

#52

Listening to something on the BBC the other day that I found thought provoking. The speaker suggested that the question’at what age do you give your child access to the internet’ could better be framed ‘at what age do you want to give internet companies access to your child’

I genuinely think there's a difference between young people having access to the internet, and young people having access to social media (Facebook, Instagram, etc.)

Social media is designed to be addictive. Much of the internet is not. I'm increasingly in favor of banning Facebook and Instagram to under 18s.

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I can see it going either way. A century ago in the US, a lot of support for Prohibition came from the impact of liquor, yet Prohibition itself also banned beer. I can very easily believe that the backlash against dark patterns, against deliberately addictive apps (games and social media), against advertising getting squeezed into what would otherwise be normal conversations, against the surveillance that currently m…

what useful thing does a smartphone do during school hours?

All the same things as internet connected computers in general — world's information at your fingertips, quiz apps to reduce the delay between doing a test and finding out what you need to focus on, etc. — except easier to take on field trips and hook up with heart rate monitors during PE.

Re: Group of 17 London secondary schools join up to go smartphone-free

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My schooling experience (in London, less than 10 years ago) was a waste of time. If they want students to be engaged, make the material engaging.

I am not sure you can match social medias engineered for addictions.

Although, regardless of how engaging is the material, students will never know if they are already doom scrolling their phone even before the start of the class.

Re: Group of 17 London secondary schools join up to go smartphone-free

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Confiscating phones from children for an entire week is an unhinged idea. Confiscating for the rest of the school day I can understand, but not giving them the phone back when they go home is dangerous. At some point a child will get abducted on their way home from school, or be unable to contact emergency services, because the school confiscated their phone. They seem to want parents to buy dumb phones instead for t…

I don’t buy this argument at all, if someone is abducting children taking their phone away will be an absolutely trivial first step. I know this might shock you be there was a time before phones and everything was totally okay.

Re: Group of 17 London secondary schools join up to go smartphone-free

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I believe that, in retrospect, these schoolchildren will greatly appreciate this decision.

I can see it going either way. A century ago in the US, a lot of support for Prohibition came from the impact of liquor, yet Prohibition itself also banned beer. I can very easily believe that the backlash against dark patterns, against deliberately addictive apps (games and social media), against advertising getting squeezed into what would otherwise be normal conversations, against the surveillance that currently m…

Do you have kids? I have a 4-year old girl. And while parenting is so much harder without iPad and iPhone, my daughter is genuinely more interested in the world and imagination play than looking at screens. At age 2, was curious about the other kids with iPads, but now she shows no interest in screens. And we’re doing fine with static or minimally electronic toys. She has a whole adolescent/adult life ahead of her of screens.

This is about a developing child’s mind and the precautionary principle of knowing with the evidence we have now that social media is extremely harmful to mental health, especially to adolescent girls. This is not the same as outlawing alcohol to grown adults.

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I was curious about the legal grounds that schools have to confiscate student's phones for up to a week, and I found this document from the UK government: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/62d1643e8fa8f... Some things that concern me: - Page 19: Staff may examine any data or files on an electronic device they have confiscated as a result of a search, as defined in paragraph 57, if there is good reason to…

I've seen this before. To quote a barrister friend of mine, regardless of the law, it mostly depends on how big a stick the person having their device confiscated wields. The stick in this case is connections, parents etc. They rely purely on submission to enforce this policy. A simple "no" removes consent and their ability to do anything about it. If after that it is forced upon you, then things get "interesting" to…

During my school years, my teacher confiscated a deck of my trading cards and stored them in the classroom drawer.

You could probably see where this goes next - very quickly all my cards were stolen by my classmates, and I could do nothing while I saw my classmates play my own cards, as I had no proof they were mine.

That certainly taught me a lesson or two about human nature, at least at that time...

Re: Group of 17 London secondary schools join up to go smartphone-free

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I believe that, in retrospect, these schoolchildren will greatly appreciate this decision.

To me, the necessity to have a banning "law" is a sign of failure. We should teach children the why and how, incentive them to put, by themselves, their phone in a lockbox and eventually consider them as growing adult and not irresponsible childs.

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Re: Group of 17 London secondary schools join up to go smartphone-free

#59

Listening to something on the BBC the other day that I found thought provoking. The speaker suggested that the question’at what age do you give your child access to the internet’ could better be framed ‘at what age do you want to give internet companies access to your child’

I genuinely think there's a difference between young people having access to the internet, and young people having access to social media (Facebook, Instagram, etc.) Social media is designed to be addictive. Much of the internet is not. I'm increasingly in favor of banning Facebook and Instagram to under 18s.

under 18s arent on facebook, and barely on instagram. that might work for 25-40 year olds though

Re: Group of 17 London secondary schools join up to go smartphone-free

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what useful thing does a smartphone do during school hours?

Looking stuff up during lunch or study hall. School hours != in class but it often means doing assignments.

They pretty much all have chromebooks or laptops these days that can perform the same actions if it's school related.

Also, study hall is an elective class. You still need to behave in study hall. The purpose is to study. Lunch could be an exception, but not really. There should be enough time to eat and socialize just a little. The lunch periods are not excessively long.

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