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Apple to 'pay' OpenAI for ChatGPT through distribution, not cash

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Re: Apple to 'pay' OpenAI for ChatGPT through distribution, not cash

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FYI, it's "being" not "beeing", unless you are a keeper of bees, perhaps, making honey.

I would think the keeper would be keeping and the bees themselves would be beeing.

That is indeed a valid definition one could create for this word which does not exist in modern language.

Re: Apple to 'pay' OpenAI for ChatGPT through distribution, not cash

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None of this makes any sense. a) Microsoft pays for compute. OpenAI never intended to run their own cloud. b) Apple's 15%/30% is a "cost of channel" for developers. It is the fee they pay to get free users delivered to their app. And the decision to do this is purely a business one that can be changed at will and does not apply at all to this situation. c) Calling Apple a gatekeeper for implementing additional featur…

> a) Microsoft pays for compute. OpenAI never intended to run their own cloud. No, Microsoft INVESTED in OpenAI and in exchange became OpenAI's exclusive cloud provider. That doesn't mean they pay for the compute of all customers. > b) Apple's 15%/30% is a "cost of channel" for developers. It is the fee they pay to get free users delivered to their app. And the decision to do this is purely a business one that can be…

Do they actually hold more information, though? If it’s handled on-device, Apple never knows about it. If it’s sent to something other than ChatGPT, Apple can’t even read it. This seems like a pretty level field for anybody who wants to step in.

Re: Apple to 'pay' OpenAI for ChatGPT through distribution, not cash

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Did VCs end up holding the bag at the end of the mobile revolution hype cycle?

What is different here is that the non-VC investors investments are being recycled back into their goods&services see: cloud credits, buying NVDA compute, etc. I don't think we had a similar pattern in the mobile era. Did Apple ever invest in an app in exchange for App Store fee credits or some dubious scrip like that? I don't think so.

Didn’t VC money mostly go to Google and FB ads in the past?

Now they’re buying compute.

Re: Apple to 'pay' OpenAI for ChatGPT through distribution, not cash

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ChatGPT first. In conversation with reporters after the WWDC keynote, Apple's senior VP of software engineering Craig Federighi revealed that as Apple Intelligence evolves, the company eventually wants to give its users a choice between different AI models, and suggested that Google Gemini could be an option in the future. "We think ultimately people are going to have a preference for certain models they want to use,…

Why even list Chinese vendors? Those would never happen in a western market.

iPhones sell in Chinese markets. And more china friendly countries will likely get access.

Re: Apple to 'pay' OpenAI for ChatGPT through distribution, not cash

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Google pays Apple for distribution, so it sounds like Apple said “you pay for compute and we’ll give you the distribution for free”

Depends. How would that "free distribution" of "free compute" translate into profit for the company with the compute-bill? Only via conversion of users to paid OpenAI accounts?

Good question.

Re: Apple to 'pay' OpenAI for ChatGPT through distribution, not cash

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> a) Microsoft pays for compute. OpenAI never intended to run their own cloud. No, Microsoft INVESTED in OpenAI and in exchange became OpenAI's exclusive cloud provider. That doesn't mean they pay for the compute of all customers. > b) Apple's 15%/30% is a "cost of channel" for developers. It is the fee they pay to get free users delivered to their app. And the decision to do this is purely a business one that can be…

Do they actually hold more information, though? If it’s handled on-device, Apple never knows about it. If it’s sent to something other than ChatGPT, Apple can’t even read it. This seems like a pretty level field for anybody who wants to step in.

That's the misleading part of all of Apple's statements about privacy. Apple only ever talks about your "personal data", they let the audience conclude what that means.

A picture is personal data. Information about the content of that picture anonymized in a way that the user/subject cannot be identified, is not personal data anymore.

A profile generated from all your usage-habits combined is not "personal data" anymore.

Not a popular statement, but I believe the main reason for Apple pushing on-device ML-models is to extract non-personal information from its devices without the need for the "personal information" to be seen by Apple. There's even a paper on that [1]

Compute and storage is paid by the user, only the extracted data is delivered to Apple.

Beyond that, Apple's entire effort on privacy conveniently ensures that only they know everything about their users, and ensure that the customers don't (accidentally) tell someone else something about themselves.

[1] https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/learning-with-pri...

Re: Apple to 'pay' OpenAI for ChatGPT through distribution, not cash

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https://apnews.com/article/china-chatbot-xi-jinping-thought-... What will the Chinese ai be able to discuss?

Thing is for 99% of usage cases this makes zero difference. Not saying it’s right but it’s largely irrelevant. And it certainly isn’t a moat for oai

It may be a moat if no one can figure out how to censor an ai for china without a lobotomy.

Re: Apple to 'pay' OpenAI for ChatGPT through distribution, not cash

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ChatGPT first. In conversation with reporters after the WWDC keynote, Apple's senior VP of software engineering Craig Federighi revealed that as Apple Intelligence evolves, the company eventually wants to give its users a choice between different AI models, and suggested that Google Gemini could be an option in the future. "We think ultimately people are going to have a preference for certain models they want to use,…

Why even list Chinese vendors? Those would never happen in a western market.

> Why even list Chinese vendors? Those would never happen in a western market.

Because the Western vendors are banned in China, and Apple sells a lot of iPhones in China.

And even in a Western market, you might have Chinese immigrants choosing the Chinese vendor. That's probably not enough to justify the integration in and of itself, but if you already have to do it for the Chinese market, why not offer it in the West too?

Re: Apple to 'pay' OpenAI for ChatGPT through distribution, not cash

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Other devices are not getting Apple Intelligence.

Apple Intelligence doesn't use OpenAI

> As a result of the company's partnership with OpenAI, Apple Intelligence includes an integration with ChatGPT, allowing Siri to determine when to send certain complex user requests to ChatGPT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Intelligence

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