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The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

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Re: The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

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Post by immibis »

aspenmayer wrote: post #25
rl3 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> i was wondering how all the efforts to buy gazan's eSIMs was going, this seems to be one of the results. The eSIM stuff terrifies me, because you know damn well they're feeding that data into their intelligence apparatus for targeting purposes, and recent history has shown thus far that they don't give much of a shit about collateral damage. I highly suspect that nearby cellular activity increases the chances of be…

Some eSIM resources for you and the group: Anonymous eSIM with no KYC https://silent.link/ Anatomy of the eSIM profile https://media.ccc.de/v/osmodevcon2024-174-anatomy-of-the-esi... Exploring eUICCs and eSIMS using pySim, lpac and osmo-smdpp https://media.ccc.de/v/osmodevcall-20240117-laforce-euicc-es... A Look at eSIMs and Number Hijacking https://intel471.com/blog/a-look-at-esims-and-number-hijacki...

It doesn't matter. Every phone is a candidate for targeting. They don't have to know who owns it.

Re: The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

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Post by aspenmayer »

immibis wrote: post #51
aspenmayer wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some eSIM resources for you and the group: Anonymous eSIM with no KYC https://silent.link/ Anatomy of the eSIM profile https://media.ccc.de/v/osmodevcon2024-174-anatomy-of-the-esi... Exploring eUICCs and eSIMS using pySim, lpac and osmo-smdpp https://media.ccc.de/v/osmodevcall-20240117-laforce-euicc-es... A Look at eSIMs and Number Hijacking https://intel471.com/blog/a-look-at-esims-and-number-hijacki...

It doesn't matter. Every phone is a candidate for targeting. They don't have to know who owns it.

I agree, and don’t dispute that.

Re: The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

#55

Post by bradrn »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #49
maybelsyrup wrote: post #33

> the telecommunications infrastructure has been severely damaged Distal to the tech here but man, once you see the passive voice vs active voice stuff on this issue, you really can't un-see it. Astounding. Edit: finished the article. The tech here really is stunning -- like, the ratio of ingenuity to resources is insane.

Can confirm can’t unsee it! And you realize it’s used a lot. If Russia destroys infrastructure in Ukraine, our news says “Ukrainians adapted after the Russian military destroyed their networks”. When the IDF destroys Gazan networks, the story is “Gazans adapted after their networks were destroyed”. Same thing happens with police shootings. “A stray bullet killed a child during police encounter” is a common type of he…

> “A stray bullet killed a child during police encounter”

To be pedantic, this isn’t passive voice at all. See Pullum on this particular misconception: http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/~gpullum/passive_loathing.html

Re: The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

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Post by orwin »

rl3 wrote: post #21
solarpunk wrote: post #5

this is pretty neat, reminds me of cuba's meshnet system. i was wondering how all the efforts to buy gazan's eSIMs was going, this seems to be one of the results.

> i was wondering how all the efforts to buy gazan's eSIMs was going, this seems to be one of the results. The eSIM stuff terrifies me, because you know damn well they're feeding that data into their intelligence apparatus for targeting purposes, and recent history has shown thus far that they don't give much of a shit about collateral damage. I highly suspect that nearby cellular activity increases the chances of be…

To be fair, the goal seems to be to kill and injure as much as possible, so wether you're using a cellphone or not you might just die.

An I you consider a kill and 3 injury for each bombardement (4 casualties)(which is a low estimate), 250 bombardement a day (low estimate again), and take the highest estimate of Hamas militants, 20k (including associated armed groups), 90% of all casualties are civilians, which is a ratio you only find in civil war and genocides.

Re: The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

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Post by dralley »

nashashmi wrote: post #18
lemon234 wrote: post #17

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they also told them to completely stop, following up on their earlier ruling. which means they did not prevent genocide.

They also told Hamas to immediately release the hostages, which Hamas obviously did not do.

Re: The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

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Post by dralley »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #44
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #37

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Yes I think if the walls between Gaza and Israel came down it would be a moment like the taking down of the Berlin wall. Two people, ruled by the same government, finally experiencing the same rights, same freedoms, same status, etc. How to tear down that wall without the extremists trying to kill their "enemies" on each side first, that no one has the answer to

It would probably be a good start if Israel just stopped bombing or otherwise closing Palestine's sea front or land borders with other countries. They don't even have to open their own border to civilians trying to escape their air strikes!

Are you familiar with the history of how those walls went up?

Hint: it has something to do with more than one thousand civilian deaths caused by suicide bombers coming from Gaza in the late 1990s and early 2000s, which almost completely stopped after the walls and checkpoints were installed. Now Hamas uses rockets instead, but those were much less dangerous on average than the bombings that were employed beforehand.

Re: The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

bradrn wrote: post #55
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can confirm can’t unsee it! And you realize it’s used a lot. If Russia destroys infrastructure in Ukraine, our news says “Ukrainians adapted after the Russian military destroyed their networks”. When the IDF destroys Gazan networks, the story is “Gazans adapted after their networks were destroyed”. Same thing happens with police shootings. “A stray bullet killed a child during police encounter” is a common type of he…

> “A stray bullet killed a child during police encounter” To be pedantic, this isn’t passive voice at all. See Pullum on this particular misconception: http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/~gpullum/passive_loathing.html

Oh good point! Thanks for the note.
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