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macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by walterbell »

nebula8804 wrote: post #47
walterbell wrote: post #25

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> 7-9 years of software updates After which they could run Linux, instead of being e-waste. > unique use cases as evidenced by todays keynote Mark Gurman, Bloomberg journalist covering Apple for years, https://x.com/markgurman/status/1800348268385521876 ? Apple needs to put 25% of the vigor into iPadOS that it just put into Apple Intelligence because this is getting ridiculous. The iPad Pro gets incredible new hardwa…

>After which they could run Linux, instead of being e-waste. There is so much PC based garbage that ends up in the eWaste trash destroyed way before years 7-9 hit and you are complaining about a device that is not even designed to be used in a server/desktop OS configuration? >iPadOS 18 did get a calculator. This really does explain it all...Just pure ignorance based on hatred of Apple.

> pure ignorance based on hatred of Apple

I'm typing this on iPad Air and looking at an iPad Pro, Mac Mini and Macbook Air.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by hagbard_c »

tgv wrote: post #40
walterbell wrote: post #32

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There has not yet been a tablet that was commercially competitive with iPad, measured by sales volume/revenue. Perhaps a future PC OEM 2-in-1 will be successful, based on Qualcomm Oryon/Arm SoC from ex-Apple Nuvia. > software updates are way longer There's no "longer" for comparison, when there is no competitor. Old iPads could continue to work for years, running Linux. Apple could unlock the boot after terminating s…

And what would you do with an ipad running linux? There's no tablet software. May sound harsh, but the Open Source movement is just not capable of producing enough software to make Linux a viable on the desktop, let alone on the tablet.

Linux has been 'ready for the desktop' for more than a decade, far longer for those who use it 'professionally' so that old trope can be put to pasture. As to what to run on a Linux tablet there's Plasma Mobile (KDE), Ubuntu Touch, Gnome/Phosh, PostmarketOS with any of the above and more. If you're looking for a single 'Linux tablet interface' you won't find it as there is no single 'Linux $thing' anywhere - you get the choice between many alternatives, some more polished/functional/useable than others.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by denkmoon »

swarnie wrote: post #41
_nalply wrote: post #5

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It's about control. If they would allow virtualization then some people would use that to run software Apple can't control, especially not monetize.

Shouldn't people be able to run whatever software they like on a device they've purchased? Anything less isn't full ownership.

They can purchase something that allows that.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by mirzap »

walterbell wrote: post #46
tgv wrote: post #40

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And what would you do with an ipad running linux? There's no tablet software. May sound harsh, but the Open Source movement is just not capable of producing enough software to make Linux a viable on the desktop, let alone on the tablet.

iPad+Linux could be a single-function "embedded" device. web browser IoT control panel video conferencing photo frame e-reader kiosk

You are not serious, aren't you? You have Raspberry Pi for that purpose. It's like saying Mercedes should allow me to install software on my Mercedes so I can use my $200k car to use it as a tractor.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by taran_narat »

JayDustheadz wrote: post #36

I'm not a super-advanced user, so could somebody please let me know if this will allow running Windows on an ARM based Macs? Or perhaps running a VM with macOS Big Sur on macOS 15 ( I'm looking to install a specific version of an app via App Store - a version that is limited to macOS Big Sur )? Thanks in advance!

I’m even less, what’s nested virtualisation?

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by walterbell »

mirzap wrote: post #54
walterbell wrote: post #46

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iPad+Linux could be a single-function "embedded" device. web browser IoT control panel video conferencing photo frame e-reader kiosk

You are not serious, aren't you? You have Raspberry Pi for that purpose. It's like saying Mercedes should allow me to install software on my Mercedes so I can use my $200k car to use it as a tractor.

Since when does Raspberry Pi ship with a 4:3 Retina display?

Does the Mercedes self-brick after 7 years?

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by cyberax »

derefr wrote: post #45
cyberax wrote: post #31

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No, it is VERY different from Windows Home/Pro. Windows doesn't bar you from running custom code. Windows Home does not ship Hyper-V, but it allows you to run your own hypervisors just fine.

It's not about running arbitrary code, though; it's that you're specifically trying to use the exact thing that the cheaper edition has removed from it to create market segmentation . In the case of Windows Home, that's components like Hyper-V. (Imagine taking Windows Home and injecting Hyper-V from a pirated copy of Windows Pro.) In the case of iPadOS, that's all the components that macOS has that iPadOS doesn't. Th…

> It's not about running arbitrary code

But it is. Microsoft just doesn't want home users to run Hyper-V, without paying for a (slightly) more expensive Windows Pro license. Home users still can download free VirtualBox or whatever other solution they care to use. They can also upgrade to a Pro license in-place, by paying $100.

This is all perfectly normal.

iPadOS is completely different. Apple does not _allow_ users to run any non-trivial system-level code. If Apple doesn't want you to access virtualization on iPad, you're out of luck. There are no easy workarounds.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by Datagenerator »

taran_narat wrote: post #55
JayDustheadz wrote: post #36

I'm not a super-advanced user, so could somebody please let me know if this will allow running Windows on an ARM based Macs? Or perhaps running a VM with macOS Big Sur on macOS 15 ( I'm looking to install a specific version of an app via App Store - a version that is limited to macOS Big Sur )? Thanks in advance!

I’m even less, what’s nested virtualisation?

Nested virtualization is running virtual machines inside other virtual machines. Like the movie inception

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by hmottestad »

walterbell wrote: post #32
mirzap wrote: post #28

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What eWaste are you talking about? The lifetime, battery life, and software updates are way longer than those of any other tablet on the market. iPads are not a replacement for Macbooks or PCs; let it be the iPad.

There has not yet been a tablet that was commercially competitive with iPad, measured by sales volume/revenue. Perhaps a future PC OEM 2-in-1 will be successful, based on Qualcomm Oryon/Arm SoC from ex-Apple Nuvia. > software updates are way longer There's no "longer" for comparison, when there is no competitor. Old iPads could continue to work for years, running Linux. Apple could unlock the boot after terminating s…

I have a 12 year old iPad running as a photo frame. Doesn’t get security updates, but then again it stays at home with only a single app running.

One of the things that keeps fascinating me about Apple is how they keep coming out with better and better iPads, even though they don’t seem to have any real competition. Take the new iPad Pro. It’s super thin, got a brand new tandem OLED screen that goes up to 1000 nits and is decent for using outdoors. They even put a new M4 chip in it which has faster single core performance than any desktop chip by Intel or AMD.

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