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Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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Hidden Bar is good enough https://github.com/dwarvesf/hidden

I could never get Hidden Bar to work correctly. I think it's because my MacBook has a notch. iBar (free at the App Store) so far does what I need.

My MacBook Pro also has a notch and it is working fine so the notch isn't the problem

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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Offtopic, but am I the only person surprised how badly Apple stalled when it comes to window management and UX on MacOS? I feel that today, as a power user/professional, MacOS wouldn't be usable without applications like Bartender, external window manager such as Rectangle/Divvy etc. I feel strong attraction coming from yabai, but disabling SIP is too much for me. Personally I'm reaching the point where I'd migrate t…

I'm not sure why you're surprised. The macOS GUI has never been designed with power users in mind. If you wanted to enhance your experience as a power user, you always had to resort to 3rd party software. By using Apple products you accept to use them as they were designed to be used, and any customization of the experience is a luxury that could be taken away at any point. Apple knows best how you should use your computers, after all...

Linux is on the other side of that spectrum, but then you lose the benefit of a tightly integrated and curated ecosystem. If you're willing to give that up, and don't mind tinkering and frequently dealing with jank, then Linux might be for you.

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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My biggest need for managing the icons in the menu bar is to prevent them from getting lost behind the notch on my 14" MBP. I recently discovered this question on StackExchange on how to change the icon spacing and padding and that has kinda resolved the situation, but it doesn't look visually as good. https://apple.stackexchange.com/a/465674 Perhaps the padding and spacing adjustment could also be brought to Ice? I'…

Yep that's what I do as well,animal spacing override.

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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post #26

Offtopic, but am I the only person surprised how badly Apple stalled when it comes to window management and UX on MacOS? I feel that today, as a power user/professional, MacOS wouldn't be usable without applications like Bartender, external window manager such as Rectangle/Divvy etc. I feel strong attraction coming from yabai, but disabling SIP is too much for me. Personally I'm reaching the point where I'd migrate t…

Fully agree. For work I use Windows 11 and even without any third party tools, its ability to easily group and align windows using either the keyboard or mouse is vastly superior to what macOS has. The only thing that macOS is still best at is Exposé. The smoothness, animations, superior Apple touchpads to make the gesture and then ths ease of picking the right window are second to none.

> Exposé

KDE 6's new Overview effect works really well

https://kde.org/announcements/megarelease/6/

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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Not the submitter, but I installed this a couple days ago to replace Bartender. For those not following along at home, the Bartender author just sold it to some sketchy app mill. It’s an app that legitimately requires screen recording permissions to work. I trusted the old author’s reputation. I have zero trust in the own owner. Ice isn’t as good yet. It’s not nearly so configurable. For example, you can either hide…

I just bought it a month ago for max support for a ridiculous price like 50eu :(

After many years of updates I've also bought the mega supporter license this year, which I deeply regret - not because of the money lost but because it seems that author has misused our trust.

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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post #26

Offtopic, but am I the only person surprised how badly Apple stalled when it comes to window management and UX on MacOS? I feel that today, as a power user/professional, MacOS wouldn't be usable without applications like Bartender, external window manager such as Rectangle/Divvy etc. I feel strong attraction coming from yabai, but disabling SIP is too much for me. Personally I'm reaching the point where I'd migrate t…

Not really a big deal IMO, MacOS has loads of great software available to improve workflow. BetterSnapTool, BetterTouchTool, MOS, Dropzone, Slidepad, Raycast, TotalFinder (visor feature), iTerm2 (dropdown shell) etc.

BetterSnapTool is probably what you are looking for - for normal monitors the keyboard shortcuts for window management (modifier + arrows) are great, and for giant monitors the custom snap zones are great. My favourite feature is the ability to move/resize windows by holding down ctrl/shift while hovering over them.

These kinds of things are a big reason I stick with Mac, great ergonomics and automation.

Seems a better situation than the alternatives? You need a defensive mindset with Windows with their behaviours over the last 5 years

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you "learn it once" if the dev can put "print" option anywhere using UI kit?

I haven't found any apps on macOS the past 15 years where the "print" option wasn't where it's expected to be, would like an example just for the fun of it.

It doesn't matter, this is not a property of the OS or the menubar location, just an unenforced convention that you can adhere to on Windows as well

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could never get Hidden Bar to work correctly. I think it's because my MacBook has a notch. iBar (free at the App Store) so far does what I need.

My MacBook Pro also has a notch and it is working fine so the notch isn't the problem

I'm sure I'm missing something obvious. I ran Hidden Bar for months and the hidden icons only became visible left of the notch after clicking > maybe twice, briefly, and I could never figure out what I did differently. iBar worked immediately.

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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Offtopic, but am I the only person surprised how badly Apple stalled when it comes to window management and UX on MacOS? I feel that today, as a power user/professional, MacOS wouldn't be usable without applications like Bartender, external window manager such as Rectangle/Divvy etc. I feel strong attraction coming from yabai, but disabling SIP is too much for me. Personally I'm reaching the point where I'd migrate t…

I use Mac for work, Linux/Gnome for personal use, and have used Windows up to and including 11 both personally and professionally in the past (although a lot less recently).

In terms of the desktop environment, I feel Mac is severely lacking behind. I know there are very mixed opinions on Gnome, but to me the Gnome UX feels extremely well thought out in comparison.

The apple ecosystem might be very well integrated, but in terms of the macOS UX it feels the exact opposite. Why can’t I close an app from mission control? Why can’t I launch apps from mission control, but need to e.g. open launchpad first? In Gnome the activities view unities all of those experiences in a way that is seamless and just clicks for me, but in macOS everything seems to be separate apps/features that don’t play together at all (out of the box at least). Add to that all the other small frustrations that you need to address with third party tools, it is - for me at least - a very unproductive out-of-the-box experience.

Of course this is subjective, and might be partially an issue of (my lack of) skill/experience.

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