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Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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Re: Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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Post by rsolva »

tapoxi wrote: post #14
rsolva wrote: post #7

These fullscreen messages are so confusing to elderly people, most of my support calls from family and friends are related to the weird and unpredictable updates and invasive popups, or the consequences from these. I have slowly been moving them, one by one, over to Fedora. I still get support calls, but not related to the OS, more like, "how do I add an attachment to this email, I forgot."

I can see it now... "How do I share my screen?" "Well grandma, the Google Chrome Flatpak you're using defaults to Xorg so it runs in XWayland, which means it can't see the desktop because the rest of your shell is native in Wayland. If you go to chrome://flags and set prefered-ozone-platform to wayland it might work, but some people in this reddit thread also mention you need to install xdg-desktop-portal-gnome so it…

Oh, and for screen sharing for support, I use the built-in Remote Desktop functionality (RDP). I have set up a Wireguard connection from the laptop to my home network which makes it possible for me to jump at any time in without 'grandma' having to do anything. Such an improvement over TeamViewer (which also had trouble with Wayland for a long time, maybe still does?).

Remote support is a breeze now, and we save the usual 30 minutes of guiding an update of TeamViewer over the phone (because of an old and incompatible version) etc.

Re: Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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Post by petre »

wkat4242 wrote: post #48
petre wrote: post #44

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I moved from a Mac to Gnome 3 and think it's fine, at least compared to MacOS or Windows.

I can imagine, but I moved away from macOS precisely because I found it too opinionated. It was actually much better in the past, when it was more of a Unix with a fancy GUI bolted on. These days it's becoming more like iOS, "Trust us, we know better than you how things should work, you must use it like we intended". That's not how I am. I have very strong ideas on how my computer should work. When I look at Gnome I…

I just use the Dash to Dock plugin on Debian, a few custom key bindings for switching virtual desktops and the default dark theme. One could probably customize it to some extent using their stupid gconf registry. KDE is probably fine as well, but I've never used Plasma and the and one was too much like Windows. Thats's the beauty of the Linux desktop, where was always choice.

Re: Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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Post by hot_gril »

rsolva wrote: post #50
hot_gril wrote: post #10

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Would've never thought of having a non-tech-understanding person use GNU/Linux before, but nowadays I think Windows has managed to close the gap on its own by becoming horrible. Though there are other options like iPad or Chromebook.

Linux (in my case Fedora) has been fantastic, especially for the non-techs who have not gotten used to Windows or a Mac! All they need is a browser (with adblock) and maybe a simple word processor. Fedora does not nag about updates, it just chugs along and keeps everything up-to-date in the background. Major OS-updates is a one click in the app store, which I do once a year-ish. Soooo much less hassle then MacOS and…

I can see it, OS doesn't nag the user and things stay static aside from automatic updates, which you could even disable if you wanna be around for them. Problem is even some web things will not work the same in Linux, for example Netflix officially only supports 720p, and hardware compatibility isn't guaranteed (bluetooth and wifi especially).

Re: Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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Post by hot_gril »

wkat4242 wrote: post #47
nolist_policy wrote: post #46

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I do, IMHO as MacBooks are/used to be for developers, Chromebooks are for Linux developers.

Really? You don't mind Google's extensive datamining and lockdown of the OS? I would never ever consider using that. I'm surprised also, in our company nobody uses chromeos. But we have thousands of linux laptops and hundreds of Macs.

I've considered a Chromebook at work where the real coding and builds are being done over SSH on a headless Linux machine anyway, but the fuss involved for just a basic shell and SSH were enough to turn me away. So I can't imagine using one for local development too, data mining aside. I know some people use it and it works with the right workarounds, but why bother.

Also idk why there's nothing as good as the Mac iTerm2 for Linux.

Re: Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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Post by nolist_policy »

hot_gril wrote: post #55
wkat4242 wrote: post #47

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Really? You don't mind Google's extensive datamining and lockdown of the OS? I would never ever consider using that. I'm surprised also, in our company nobody uses chromeos. But we have thousands of linux laptops and hundreds of Macs.

I've considered a Chromebook at work where the real coding and builds are being done over SSH on a headless Linux machine anyway, but the fuss involved for just a basic shell and SSH were enough to turn me away. So I can't imagine using one for local development too, data mining aside. I know some people use it and it works with the right workarounds, but why bother. Also idk why there's nothing as good as the Mac iT…

Um, you literally go to Settings -> About ChromeOS -> Developers, enable "Linux development environment" and after 5 minutes have access to fully featured Debian Linux.

The standalone (non-linux) ssh client is indeed not the best, it's okay.

Re: Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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Post by hot_gril »

nolist_policy wrote: post #56
hot_gril wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've considered a Chromebook at work where the real coding and builds are being done over SSH on a headless Linux machine anyway, but the fuss involved for just a basic shell and SSH were enough to turn me away. So I can't imagine using one for local development too, data mining aside. I know some people use it and it works with the right workarounds, but why bother. Also idk why there's nothing as good as the Mac iT…

Um, you literally go to Settings -> About ChromeOS -> Developers, enable "Linux development environment" and after 5 minutes have access to fully featured Debian Linux. The standalone (non-linux) ssh client is indeed not the best, it's okay.

We aren't allowed to do the first suggestion at work. If you can, and it's literally Debian, then it's fine.

Re: Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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Post by simonblack »

prng2021 wrote: post #43
simonblack wrote: post #39

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Too bad Linux still can't offer a desktop alternative that is widely acceptable. Well, yes it can. But the choice of Desktop whether that be Linux, MacOS or Windows is just a matter of familiarisation. I have the exact opposite view to you: "Too bad Windows still can't offer a desktop alternative that is widely acceptable." but that is because I have been using a Linux Desktop for over 20 years. I've been using the L…

I haven’t used Windows in over a decade and hate it but if you think Windows is not widely accepted for desktop users on planet Earth while Linux is, you live in an alternate reality.

If you think Windows 11 is 'widely acceptable' then let's agree to differ.
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