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How to make a great government website

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Re: How to make a great government website

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If true, it displays celebration bunting on the front page on that day. Seems to be true for all holidays except Good Friday and the Queen's funeral (plus one (probably accidental) Easter Monday). https://github.com/alphagov/frontend/commit/5466c5f9ecc896a4...

I wonder why Good Friday doesn't get bunting.

It’s probably because it’s traditionally relatively solemn, given like the Queen’s funeral it commemorates a person’s death.

Re: How to make a great government website

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How to not make great government websites: use random domain names instead of a single dedicated tld, different contractors and design for each, make sure there's enough overlap in functionality in-between each of them, and then regularly remind everyone that it's very easy to scam you with fishing attacks. Here are just some of the official French websites: service-public.fr impots.gouv.fr gouvernement.fr ameli.fr v…

And of course, you never know where to look for information, and sometimes it's replicated to other official websites with differences.

Let's not forget the weird decision they made with the ac- domains, too. Instead of having all of them under one domain, they just use a naming convention: ac-nice.fr and ac-aix-marseille.fr are both official. It should've been nice.academie.fr and aix-marseille.academie.fr, imo.

Re: How to make a great government website

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Mandatory link to the one thing in the UK that actually works well: https://www.gov.uk Further details: https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/government-digit...

I'm genuinely curious if people still think gov.uk is a good example - or I guess, as good as it was. I'm slightly biased from past experience but my feeling is a lot of the critical thinking that went into gov.uk has been lost. I just can't see the original form of GDS having an cookie banner on gov.uk for example. These were the guys that rightly pointed out that there is no actual need for people to have user acco…

It depends. Usually local councils' websites are purely terrible.

DVLA is mostly very good, I'd say. Especially when dealing with vehicle registration, ownership change, taxing etc.

HMRC is in a category that I'd call "scary". Their website is nice and all but if you ever get locked out of their mobile app for confirming identity (or you delete it by mistake), it's really hard to fix the issue. This is connected to the fact that UK has no national ID card so they use various heuristic to confirm your identity.

UKVI is probably the worst as they don't offer a consistent experience. You can tell that some of their websites were developed in early 2000's and never updated.

Re: How to make a great government website

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The Identity side of GDS has definitely been the worst. I wonder if due to the politics around that service, the thinking has stopped and the Just Get It Done, Even If It's Silly crowd has replaced it.

They're having another crack at it with GOV.UK One Login: https://www.sign-in.service.gov.uk/ I've participated in some user research with the team building it and I've also designed GOV.UK services pre-One Login that needed to verify people's identity. It's obviously a very difficult problem to solve when there's no universal central ID database. The people working on it are definitely cognizant of the failure of Ve…

Renaming stuff is the easiest job, so it gets done first :) Thanks for your work on gov.uk. I interviewed (a five hour interview!) with GDS about 6 years ago, and it was a nice place. I declined the offer in the end, but it always looked very promising.

Re: How to make a great government website

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I'm genuinely curious if people still think gov.uk is a good example - or I guess, as good as it was. I'm slightly biased from past experience but my feeling is a lot of the critical thinking that went into gov.uk has been lost. I just can't see the original form of GDS having an cookie banner on gov.uk for example. These were the guys that rightly pointed out that there is no actual need for people to have user acco…

It depends. Usually local councils' websites are purely terrible. DVLA is mostly very good, I'd say. Especially when dealing with vehicle registration, ownership change, taxing etc. HMRC is in a category that I'd call "scary". Their website is nice and all but if you ever get locked out of their mobile app for confirming identity (or you delete it by mistake), it's really hard to fix the issue. This is connected to t…

UKVI has been driven for years by doctrine of "hostile environment".

Making the page (or their services) work well is in contradiction to the goals set by management.

Re: How to make a great government website

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Mandatory link to the one thing in the UK that actually works well: https://www.gov.uk Further details: https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/government-digit...

I'm genuinely curious if people still think gov.uk is a good example - or I guess, as good as it was. I'm slightly biased from past experience but my feeling is a lot of the critical thinking that went into gov.uk has been lost. I just can't see the original form of GDS having an cookie banner on gov.uk for example. These were the guys that rightly pointed out that there is no actual need for people to have user acco…

It's hit and miss, but I still largely like it when I have to interact with it.

I just re-registered to postal vote from overseas, and the information and links were a labaryinth, often sending me in circles.

Out of exasperation – since I thought my use case didn't match what I was looking for – I clicked the big green "Start" button on the wizard and it worked swimmingly.

When re=applying for a passport in the recent past it was great too, even allowing me to upload a photo from my phone.

Perhaps they have focused on some key interactions that would typically be seen as complex.

Re: How to make a great government website

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Mandatory link to the one thing in the UK that actually works well: https://www.gov.uk Further details: https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/government-digit...

Amen. I've been living abroad in the US for 7 years, so have had to use it for a number of things (including setting up proxy voting), and it's always been clear, easy, direct, and reliable.

My sister and I are currently handling my mother's recent death, and with the exception of one slightly-out-of-date piece of information (you no longer need to pick up the Cause Of Death form to exchange it for Death Certificates - the CoD form is forwarded to the registry office), it's been extremely helpful.

Re: How to make a great government website

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Mandatory link to the one thing in the UK that actually works well: https://www.gov.uk Further details: https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/government-digit...

Recoding America, a book about improving the quality of software used by the US federal government, had good things to say about how the UK did things and what we could learn from them.

Re: How to make a great government website

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How to not make great government websites: use random domain names instead of a single dedicated tld, different contractors and design for each, make sure there's enough overlap in functionality in-between each of them, and then regularly remind everyone that it's very easy to scam you with fishing attacks. Here are just some of the official French websites: service-public.fr impots.gouv.fr gouvernement.fr ameli.fr v…

Yeah, the Netherlands got 1,800 of those..

Yeah here in Portugal we have a ton of those too. Each municipality has its own cm-.pt domain, but there some exceptions. For example, Lisbon's domain redirects to lisboa.pt, and while no other major city I know does this, almost all of them have separate website and domain without the cm- part.

Re: How to make a great government website

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How to not make great government websites: use random domain names instead of a single dedicated tld, different contractors and design for each, make sure there's enough overlap in functionality in-between each of them, and then regularly remind everyone that it's very easy to scam you with fishing attacks. Here are just some of the official French websites: service-public.fr impots.gouv.fr gouvernement.fr ameli.fr v…

That's a very unfair take. The examples you list are of a completely different nature. > gouvernement.fr info.gouv.fr These are the same website. gouvernement.fr is a legacy URL that redirects to info.gouv.fr. Why did you include both? > ameli.fr As I'm sure you know, in France, social security is not administered by the government directly but by the social partners. They're in charge of managing ameli.fr, not the g…

> Why did you include both?

I was making a non-exhaustive list of the ones that came through my mind.

> As I'm sure you know, in France, social security is not administered by the government directly but by the social partners.

What matters is whether that's an entity of the state or of a third party that is potentially trying to scam you.

I could have included pole-emploi.fr, oh sorry, I mean, francetravail.fr in my list.

All of the above plus the ones of the sibling comments under a single .etat.fr, .admin.fr, .public.fr, .france or whatever would only make sense. None of us would have to double-check again whether the information we're getting or form we're filling is official or not.

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