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The big lie about sleep

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Re: The big lie about sleep

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If anyone wants to learn more I found Why We Sleep: Unlocking the Power of Sleep and Dreams by Matthew Walker to be a good read: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_We_Sleep * https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34466963-why-we-sleep * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Walker_(scientist)

That book is full of scientific errors and probably one of the most misleading pop-science books in recent history

https://guzey.com/books/why-we-sleep/

Re: The big lie about sleep

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https://archive.is/2gbWb So, the lie is that you can only do so much to improve your sleep while poor and working. It comes down to being rich, not being required to work, no boss, not submit vacation days a year in advance, able to get quality healthcare whenever needed or electively wanted, have time to exercise, meditate, and eliminate any worries or concerns with money that you rarely care about the costs. There’…

> It comes down to being rich, not being required to work, no boss, not submit vacation days a year in advance, able to get quality healthcare whenever needed or electively wanted, have time to exercise, meditate, and eliminate any worries or concerns with money that you rarely care about the costs. You can have all of this and be middle class if that's what you prioritize instead of Keeping Up with the Joneses. You…

The Joneses became the central banks so good luck ignoring them.

Re: The big lie about sleep

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https://archive.is/2gbWb So, the lie is that you can only do so much to improve your sleep while poor and working. It comes down to being rich, not being required to work, no boss, not submit vacation days a year in advance, able to get quality healthcare whenever needed or electively wanted, have time to exercise, meditate, and eliminate any worries or concerns with money that you rarely care about the costs. There’…

> It comes down to being rich, not being required to work, no boss, not submit vacation days a year in advance, able to get quality healthcare whenever needed or electively wanted, have time to exercise, meditate, and eliminate any worries or concerns with money that you rarely care about the costs. You can have all of this and be middle class if that's what you prioritize instead of Keeping Up with the Joneses. You…

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Re: The big lie about sleep

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was so hard for me to actually do that as a kid. You basically wake up, off to school, off to extracurricular, off to dinner, off to homework, and off to bed if you want a chance at 8 hours of sleep. Five days a week of that and your parents probably fill up your weekends for you. Oh and I worked in high school so that was shoehorned in somehow. Staying up late cutting into sleep time was the only time of day I ac…

I get why parents make kids do extracurriculars (US college admissions arms race), and I get that school starts very early in the US (7:30 IIRC), and I get that some kids just have to work to bring in more money. But not allowing your kids to sleep in on weekends ever is just crazy and seems unnecessary.

To be fair there ware plenty of unavoidable things to do or even things I wanted to do. But still all of that is incompatible with sleeping until noon which I could easily do with the work week deprivation, since you then need time to get ready to leave the house, and not everything you do on weekends starts in the late afternoon.

Re: The big lie about sleep

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https://archive.is/2gbWb So, the lie is that you can only do so much to improve your sleep while poor and working. It comes down to being rich, not being required to work, no boss, not submit vacation days a year in advance, able to get quality healthcare whenever needed or electively wanted, have time to exercise, meditate, and eliminate any worries or concerns with money that you rarely care about the costs. There’…

> meditate

Meditation is free and does not take a lot of time. Anyone can meditate, nobody is too busy to have 15 or 20 minutes a day for meditation. The same goes for exercise. 1 hour is 4% of the day.

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> It comes down to being rich, not being required to work, no boss, not submit vacation days a year in advance, able to get quality healthcare whenever needed or electively wanted, have time to exercise, meditate, and eliminate any worries or concerns with money that you rarely care about the costs. You can have all of this and be middle class if that's what you prioritize instead of Keeping Up with the Joneses. You…

The Joneses became the central banks so good luck ignoring them.

This is the reality that nobody wants to accept as the root cause of these problems

Re: The big lie about sleep

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post #55

https://archive.is/2gbWb So, the lie is that you can only do so much to improve your sleep while poor and working. It comes down to being rich, not being required to work, no boss, not submit vacation days a year in advance, able to get quality healthcare whenever needed or electively wanted, have time to exercise, meditate, and eliminate any worries or concerns with money that you rarely care about the costs. There’…

> meditate Meditation is free and does not take a lot of time. Anyone can meditate, nobody is too busy to have 15 or 20 minutes a day for meditation. The same goes for exercise. 1 hour is 4% of the day.

This is a very miscalculated take.

Work is minimum 8 hours. Add another 2-3 hours for commuting, getting ready for work, and getting ready for being home. Add about 2 hours for cooking and clean up.

So far we’re at 12-13 hours. Add at least 7 hours for sleep (and sometimes turning in bed). We’re now at 19-20 hours. Add about an hour a day of incidentals that come up (social expectations, phone calls with family, etc). Add about two hours if you have kids.

Now we’re at 22-23 hours. Add an hour to two for entertainment and that’s your day.

Now you can change up the math a bit, and you’ll see that “only 4% of the day” is just a bad system for measuring time.

Things I didn’t include:

- bureaucracy related stuff, governmental stuff

- healthcare

- education

- elder care

Re: The big lie about sleep

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https://archive.is/2gbWb So, the lie is that you can only do so much to improve your sleep while poor and working. It comes down to being rich, not being required to work, no boss, not submit vacation days a year in advance, able to get quality healthcare whenever needed or electively wanted, have time to exercise, meditate, and eliminate any worries or concerns with money that you rarely care about the costs. There’…

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Re: The big lie about sleep

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post #30

I keep telling my kids that a vastly overlooked trick to success is going to bed earlier and getting more sleep. That and gratitude (which is why our family has evening rituals around this).

Honest question: why do you think gratitude is a trick for success? I can understand for happiness, but don't you think gratitude is often at conflict with the inner drive needed for success?

I find gratitude to be helpful for success because when I'm grateful for what I already have, I feel successful and it primes me to do more, you know success begets success and all that Fyi I was homeless 4 years ago and just bought my first house in 2022 so I guess I'm a pretty big believer in re-programming myself:)

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post #57
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> meditate Meditation is free and does not take a lot of time. Anyone can meditate, nobody is too busy to have 15 or 20 minutes a day for meditation. The same goes for exercise. 1 hour is 4% of the day.

This is a very miscalculated take. Work is minimum 8 hours. Add another 2-3 hours for commuting, getting ready for work, and getting ready for being home. Add about 2 hours for cooking and clean up. So far we’re at 12-13 hours. Add at least 7 hours for sleep (and sometimes turning in bed). We’re now at 19-20 hours. Add about an hour a day of incidentals that come up (social expectations, phone calls with family, etc)…

It's not miscalculated. The calculation is exactly right. It's really about how you choose to spend that time.

The time split you did isn't set in stone, you can change most of that. Don't cook for an hour, move cleaning up into the weekend. 2-3 hours is a long commute, consider remote work or getting a job closer to where you are. 8 hours is a typical office workday but other arrangements are possible from contract work to 4-on-4-off type jobs.

I'm not saying that changing these things matches your lifestyle or what you want to do, simply that they are within your means to change (very likely) and that they are a decision. Even a decision that's not consciously made, like falling into a routine that everyone is doing, is ultimately a decision.

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