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The Political Causes of the College Enrollment Crisis

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Re: The Political Causes of the College Enrollment Crisis

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

nradov wrote: post #21
anonfordays wrote: post #16

There's a 500 pound gorilla in the room: Young men have collectively checked out of a society that has nothing but contempt for them. When the supermajority in academia have nothing good to say about you, opine about how "toxic" your existence is, and openly deride your struggles... who would want to spend four years and tens of thousands of dollars to be "lectured" by those people? When men are suffering from record…

Oh please, let's lose the persecution complex. If there is any discrimination against men happening in academia it's in the clown show departments that no one cares about anyway. As for "struggles", study history. The minor struggles that modern men in developed countries deal with are nothing compared to what our ancestors faced. I was never drafted and sent to assault the beach at Normandy.

> Oh please, let's lose the persecution complex.

Commenter: Men are suffering and no one cares.

Response: No they aren't and quit your whining.

This is a great example of 'reaction proves the point'.

Re: The Political Causes of the College Enrollment Crisis

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Post by [deleted] »

beej71 wrote: post #47
pseudo0 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That white men in particular have a hard time dealing with a more level playing field is pathetic. All men want is a level playing field. Colleges have been discriminating against white and Asian men for decades. SCOTUS finally slapped them down, and colleges immediately started scheming to find ways to be covertly racist through proxies for race. Many colleges stopped using SAT scores, making admissions more subje…

I'm a Gen-Xer. I teach at a university. My classes are almost entirely white males. But I do admit my anecdotal experience might not be representative.

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Re: The Political Causes of the College Enrollment Crisis

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Post by chiefalchemist »

matrix87 wrote: post #49
chiefalchemist wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's part of the overproduction process, isn't it? That is, those at the top have those in the middle and midddle-top believing they're on the inside. Nah. They're the suckers. They're the exploited. They're where the wealth is being extracted from. Given human biases and blind spots, no one in that positions wants to admit they've been played. Geez, look at the article. Written by a leftie for The Left and "blamin…

the author isn't left... > Conservatism and participation in its core institutions - marriage, church, and the military - are associated with better mental health also anyone who's trying to argue that widespread educational attainment is bad for society deserves to be laughed at

I sit corrected on the author. I should have said "entitled elite" ( which spans political ideology).

That aside...

Anyone who believes a degree === education deserves to be made a sucker.

Anyone who believes a degree === the ability to string thoughts together deserves to be laughed at.

Look around, we HAVE increased the ubiquity of structured education and yet we keep enlisting students who can't figure out their career doesn't pay enough to cover their excessive loans at their "I MUST go there" over-rated private college / edu.

Left or right, the overproduction system is fueled by such suckers.

Re: The Political Causes of the College Enrollment Crisis

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

beej71 wrote: post #48
pseudo0 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, right. An early Gen Xer, my mistake. Still, you were part of a generation that actually benefited from sexist norms and policies. Have you considered resigning your position to make room for a more deserving diverse candidate? After all, it's quite possible that you only obtained your position because a woman was unfairly passed over. Sarcasm aside, your performative self-flagellation gives me second-hand embarra…

I also can't speak for DEI everywhere, but at our school, the focus of DEI is entirely on hiring the most qualified person for the job.

That's fantastic and how it should be everywhere. But that's not what DEI is or how it works. I wish that it did, but its not.

Re: The Political Causes of the College Enrollment Crisis

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Post by not_your_mentat »

skhunted wrote: post #44
not_your_mentat wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My dude, take a breath. Two wrongs don't make a right. Let's grow together, not at the expense of each other. Find someone and ask for a hug. Your hurt is showing.

There is no expense of each other. Men are not oppressed. They are not discriminated against in any meaningful way. The crisis they are going through is self inflicted. It is annoying to hear the false cries of victim hood. Boo hoo for you that you heard some women say they don’t need men.

I hope you find love.

Re: The Political Causes of the College Enrollment Crisis

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Post by skhunted »

not_your_mentat wrote: post #55
skhunted wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no expense of each other. Men are not oppressed. They are not discriminated against in any meaningful way. The crisis they are going through is self inflicted. It is annoying to hear the false cries of victim hood. Boo hoo for you that you heard some women say they don’t need men.

I hope you find love.

Indeed. And I hope you can cope with the knowledge that some women don't need men.

Re: The Political Causes of the College Enrollment Crisis

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Post by anonfordays »

nradov wrote: post #21
anonfordays wrote: post #16

There's a 500 pound gorilla in the room: Young men have collectively checked out of a society that has nothing but contempt for them. When the supermajority in academia have nothing good to say about you, opine about how "toxic" your existence is, and openly deride your struggles... who would want to spend four years and tens of thousands of dollars to be "lectured" by those people? When men are suffering from record…

Oh please, let's lose the persecution complex. If there is any discrimination against men happening in academia it's in the clown show departments that no one cares about anyway. As for "struggles", study history. The minor struggles that modern men in developed countries deal with are nothing compared to what our ancestors faced. I was never drafted and sent to assault the beach at Normandy.

>Oh please, let's lose the persecution complex.

It's not a complex when it's actually occurring. This is like like Russia telling the world it's not invading Ukraine, it's denazifying it: "Oh please Ukraine, let's lose the persecution complex."

>If there is any discrimination against men happening in academia it's in the clown show departments that no one cares about anyway.

This is when you're unintentionally correct. The problem being critical departments are clown shows, including ones like admissions.

>As for "struggles", study history.

It's clear you haven't.

>The minor struggles that modern men in developed countries deal with are nothing compared to what our ancestors faced.

"The minor struggles that modern women in developed countries deal with are nothing compared to what our ancestors faced."

>I was never drafted and sent to assault the beach at Normandy

This has to be satire. The largest European land war since WWII is currently raging, with drafts currently occurring.

Re: The Political Causes of the College Enrollment Crisis

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Post by anonfordays »

skhunted wrote: post #22
anonfordays wrote: post #16

There's a 500 pound gorilla in the room: Young men have collectively checked out of a society that has nothing but contempt for them. When the supermajority in academia have nothing good to say about you, opine about how "toxic" your existence is, and openly deride your struggles... who would want to spend four years and tens of thousands of dollars to be "lectured" by those people? When men are suffering from record…

When I was in graduate school in the late 90s I took a flight home for the summer break. I was reading a math research paper during the flight. An elderly lady that sat next to me and asked if was reading a mathematics paper. I said yes. She said that she wanted to study math in college but in those days she wasn’t allowed to. She ended up in accounting. She was still upset over that injustice. That men can’t handle…

>When I was in graduate school in the late 90s I took a flight home for the summer break. I was reading a math research paper during the flight. An elderly lady that sat next to me and asked if was reading a mathematics paper. I said yes. She said that she wanted to study math in college but in those days she wasn’t allowed to. She ended up in accounting. She was still upset over that injustice.

"When I was in graduate school in the late 90s I took a flight home for the summer break. I was reading a math research paper during the flight. An elderly man that sat next to me and asked if was reading a mathematics paper. I said yes. He said that he wanted to study math in college but in those days he wasn’t allowed to, he got drafted and sent across the world to watch his brothers in arms die. He ended up in roofing. He was still upset over that injustice."

>That men can’t handle the present circumstance is pathetic.

That women can't handle the present circumstance is pathetic.

>That white men in particular have a hard time dealing with a more level playing field is pathetic.

That White women in particular have a hard time dealing with being the most privileged human beings to ever exist is pathetic.

>Stop playing the victim. Stop being a snowflake. Stop being pathetic.

Men aren't playing victim, they're wising up to their circumstances. They're anti-snowflakes, they know society views them as expendable and fungible. They're done being viewed as "pathetic" when they're dying by the tens of thousands in the largest European land war since WWII.

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