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Re: Brave launches Search Ads in key markets after successful test phase

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Post by dwb »

4sellff wrote: post #48

Advertising is not the problem. The current ad system is to blame. A different ad model is needed. One that is built using privacy, choice and rewards. User data and activity is not collected. Users have the choice to engage or ignore. And, if they choose to engage, they are compensated. Money flows directly from the seller to the buyer. We built this solution and call it Sellff Offers. It’s an alternative model that…

I disagree. I abhor advertising primarily because it non-consensually and obnoxiously competes for my attention. (the privacy thing is also bad of course)

Re: Brave launches Search Ads in key markets after successful test phase

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Post by troyvit »

kibwen wrote: post #4
roenxi wrote: post #2

Looks a lot like Brave's overall strategy (not just this announcement but the whole gist of the company) is to try and tap in to a part of Google's revenue stream by innovating in the web browser space. It is a bold one if so and I wish them every success. It is a pity the managers over at Mozilla don't think Google is worth challenging. If someone ever succeeds at dragging AdSense into the OSS world / a big free mar…

> If someone ever succeeds at dragging AdSense into the OSS world The absolute last thing I want is for the OSS world to fall prey to the perverse incentives of the ad industry. Advertising needs to be purged, not embraced.

> Advertising needs to be purged, not embraced.

I agree, but most people also also feel that content should be free. If content is free, but not ad supported, who pays the people to create it?

Re: Brave launches Search Ads in key markets after successful test phase

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Post by ajdude »

drexlspivey wrote: post #29
hgyjnbdet wrote: post #19

Why would you even use brave? You want to view advertisements just use Chrome. If you don't there's Firefox and ublock origin.

It’s one of the few options (the only other being Orion afaik) that you can natively block ads from the browser on iOS. The other solutions like firefox/chrome/safari have to go through the declarative content blocking API since you can’t install Chrome/Firefox plugins.

Which is why I happily use Orion without having to deal with that noise

Re: Brave launches Search Ads in key markets after successful test phase

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Post by VancouverMan »

llmblockchain wrote: post #47
sed3 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla is in bed with Google. I use brave because: * it has reasonable way of funding, crypto may suck, but it is believable they will not sell my data * anonymous bookmark sync with multiple profiles. With Chrome and Firefox I have to sign up for each sync. * Chrome based debug tools * It is usable without any plugins. In some environments I do not want to install some questionable plugins, that may change ownershi…

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Does that same reasoning of yours apply to JavaScript, given that person's involvement with its development? For example, do you disable JavaScript in whichever browser(s) you use? Do you avoid all desktop and mobile apps that may contain JavaScript code?

Does it also apply to Mozilla's offerings in general, given that person's significant involvement with the formation of that community, its organizations, and its software? Do you avoid Firefox, Thunderbird, and so forth?

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Post by llmblockchain »

VancouverMan wrote: post #55
llmblockchain wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Does that same reasoning of yours apply to JavaScript, given that person's involvement with its development? For example, do you disable JavaScript in whichever browser(s) you use? Do you avoid all desktop and mobile apps that may contain JavaScript code? Does it also apply to Mozilla's offerings in general, given that person's significant involvement with the formation of that community, its organizations, and its s…

Yes, the same reasoning is used whenever I have a choice. However, let's not pretend like choosing JS or NoJS is the same as choosing a browser. At least you have a small handful of browsers to choose from.

I mainly use NoScript and enable as needed for a select set of websites (banking, etc). I'm not a full on RMS, but I at least make choices that align with my thoughts and opinions, even when it's not convenient.

Re: Brave launches Search Ads in key markets after successful test phase

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Post by [deleted] »

AlexandrB wrote: post #50
llmblockchain wrote: post #46

Brave is shilled by so many tech "influencers" on Youtube you would assume it's a decent browser. These are privacy focused people. People that promote and use Linux daily and they're using a browser that is one step away from Google. What a joke.

Are these paid promotions? Youtube influencers shill so many dubious sponsored products in general they've become very easy to ignore since one can assume it's all trash. Short list of other YouTube trash I'm never touching: * OperaGX * NordVPN * SurfShark * RidgeWallet * BetterHelp * And the granddaddy of all trash sponsorships - Raid: Shadow Legends

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Re: Brave launches Search Ads in key markets after successful test phase

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Post by llmblockchain »

AlexandrB wrote: post #50
llmblockchain wrote: post #46

Brave is shilled by so many tech "influencers" on Youtube you would assume it's a decent browser. These are privacy focused people. People that promote and use Linux daily and they're using a browser that is one step away from Google. What a joke.

Are these paid promotions? Youtube influencers shill so many dubious sponsored products in general they've become very easy to ignore since one can assume it's all trash. Short list of other YouTube trash I'm never touching: * OperaGX * NordVPN * SurfShark * RidgeWallet * BetterHelp * And the granddaddy of all trash sponsorships - Raid: Shadow Legends

* Vercel

* Planet Scale

* Supabase

* Neon

* ...

Re: Brave launches Search Ads in key markets after successful test phase

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Post by wintermutestwin »

troyvit wrote: post #52
kibwen wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If someone ever succeeds at dragging AdSense into the OSS world The absolute last thing I want is for the OSS world to fall prey to the perverse incentives of the ad industry. Advertising needs to be purged, not embraced.

> Advertising needs to be purged, not embraced. I agree, but most people also also feel that content should be free. If content is free, but not ad supported, who pays the people to create it?

Why is it that this community of innovators can’t fathom other ways to fund cool things besides the false dichotomy of customer pays vs we shove ads down customer throat?

Some services seem like facebook and reddit seem ripe for a nonprofit model to use an example that doesn’t require any innovation.

Maybe because y’all are focused on winning big with your options? Maybe that’s the root cause of enshitification?

Re: Brave launches Search Ads in key markets after successful test phase

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Post by asadotzler »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #15
worksonmine wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1 - The initial idea to create Brave was to allow users to view ads and get paid for their attention. 2 - They've been caught replacing affiliate links with their own. Based on that information what does your instinct tell you?

Point #2 is false. Brave partnered with a few crypto exchanges. The issue (which is on GitHub) was a bug in the URL auto suggestion feature of the chromium browser. Instead of suggesting the links, it was replacing them ONLY ON THOSE 2-3 CRYPTO WEBSITES. The bug was fixed before it became news. It was fixed on day 1 of the report.

Desperate attempt to confuse the issue. Brave introduced a "bug" that if no one noticed would generate large amounts of money for Brave and would have eventually spread like affiliate links on tech news sites. They tried for a money grab, got caught, and called it a bug.

You're so gullible.

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