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Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by liminalsunset »

th0ma5 wrote: post #22

On Android there is https://www.motioncamapp.com/ which has been doing raw video for years.

In typical Android fashion, this app is essentially the mathematical inverse of the iPhone version.

The UI on the iOS Kino app is beautiful, crafted, and elegant. The UI on MotionCam (even after the update) is functional, brutalist, and purely an engineering driven, unstyled Android 4.4 UI elements style.

But MotionCam Pro gives full control, and even a RAW mode which wouldn't be possible on iPhone. You can even do ProRes (but it doesn't work very well for long unless you have a new phone with good cooling).

For the purpose I use it for (magnifying glass/telescope, using S23 Ultra), it's wonderful. But I always wished that the two worlds of Android and iOS development styles would collide for a moment....

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by dagmx »

sandofsky wrote: post #27
dagmx wrote: post #11

I’m glad the page does a call out to the Invisible CG series. I know it’s a quick aside but it’s important for people in the trade to stand by each other. On a different note, I am curious though how the page manages to use so much copyright content though. I always think that’s a risky move.

On copyright, we go out of our way to generate original graphics for our posts, but if we do use an excerpt of other people’s content, we keep it brief and link back to source for the full details. Are you referring to the shots from the Matrix and Blade Runner? In this case, I think we’re commenting on the source material, which falls under fair use. I think the imagery is iconic enough that it feels a bit silly to…

The matrix, blade runner and the Nicolas cage shot that I can’t identify personally. I think it would still be reasonable to have attribution and/or also say that the projects in question weren’t shot with Kino.

Of course it’s obvious that the Matrix isn’t shot with Kino , but I think it’s still good form to caveat that it’s there for illustrative purposes.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by janfoeh »

dylan604 wrote: post #13
masto wrote: post #6

For a video recording app, it's an interesting marketing decision that there's only one video on the page. And at least on my computer, it doesn't play, I only hear the audio. These folks have a stellar reputation, and I'll be buying this app on that (and the I-was-expecting-more-digits price) alone, but I would have enjoyed seeing some kind of short film "shot on Kino". If only to see some professional work.

> These folks have a stellar reputation The name they've chosen for the app, Kino, is a bit weird to me. When I hear the word Kino, I immediately start to think about lighting as that's how people refer to lights from Kinoflo which gained popularity from their fluorescent lights in the years before LEDs took over.

Kino is German for "cinema" — maybe that is the origin of the name?

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by col_rad »

z5h wrote: post #26

As a long time amateur photographer (using physical cameras and lenses), I have Halide (by the same company) on my iOS home screen for when I need to take a real phono on my iPhone. I use it all the time without issue. And would recommend it to any photographer. So I paid for Kino without hesitation. Just fired it up, set BNW grade, pressed record, and it immediately crashed. Tried again and it crashed again. Tried A…

Same issue with iPhone 12 mini, iOS 17.4.1

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by dagmx »

dylan604 wrote: post #24
dagmx wrote: post #11

I’m glad the page does a call out to the Invisible CG series. I know it’s a quick aside but it’s important for people in the trade to stand by each other. On a different note, I am curious though how the page manages to use so much copyright content though. I always think that’s a risky move.

> use so much copyright content though It's called fair use. They are static shots and not even close to the magical "8 seconds" rule. They are providing dramatic examples that many people are familiar with. Showing the before/after of something your mom shot means nothing to people. Showing extremely famous examples immediately lets people know what is possible and to what extent. I see nothing wrong with any of wha…

Fair use gets tricky when you intermix it like this. Though I must first call out that there’s no actual 8 second rule.

Even with fair use, it’s still good form to attribute it. But more importantly , those images are intermixed among product clips/videos which can fall on the other side of fair use because it may give the impression that they are associated with the product.

That can be a tight line to walk and so it’s again usually best to specifically call out that they are there for illustrative purposes.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by Uehreka »

> Speaking of accidental taps, when gripping the side of your phone to keep things stable, we found it too easy to accidentally tap buttons.

I have this problem CONSTANTLY with the iPhone 15 Pro Max, not when filming, but when doing everyday tasks. Something about the edge of the phone is such that a bit of my palm goes over just enough of the screen to trigger gestures, and now the YouTube video I’m watching is double speed or something I’m reading scrolls to the top for no reason.

I’m generally good about not dropping my phone (knock on wood) so I’d rather not get a case just to fix this weird touch sensitivity issue. As far as I recall this wasn’t an issue with my iPhone 12 Pro Max.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by keiferski »

dylan604 wrote: post #13
masto wrote: post #6

For a video recording app, it's an interesting marketing decision that there's only one video on the page. And at least on my computer, it doesn't play, I only hear the audio. These folks have a stellar reputation, and I'll be buying this app on that (and the I-was-expecting-more-digits price) alone, but I would have enjoyed seeing some kind of short film "shot on Kino". If only to see some professional work.

> These folks have a stellar reputation The name they've chosen for the app, Kino, is a bit weird to me. When I hear the word Kino, I immediately start to think about lighting as that's how people refer to lights from Kinoflo which gained popularity from their fluorescent lights in the years before LEDs took over.

Kino is directly or extremely similar to the word for cinema in many languages, including German, Polish, Slovak, Czech, Danish, Croatian, and Finnish, to name a few. The word cinema itself is ultimately from the hard-K Greek kínēma:

Borrowed from French cinéma, clipping of cinématographe (term coined by the Lumière brothers in the 1890s), from Ancient Greek κίνημα (kínēma, “movement”) + γράφω (gráphō, “write, record”). Compare German Kino (“cinema”), ultimately from the same Greek source.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cinema#English

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by MillionOClock »

Uehreka wrote: post #58

> Speaking of accidental taps, when gripping the side of your phone to keep things stable, we found it too easy to accidentally tap buttons. I have this problem CONSTANTLY with the iPhone 15 Pro Max, not when filming, but when doing everyday tasks. Something about the edge of the phone is such that a bit of my palm goes over just enough of the screen to trigger gestures, and now the YouTube video I’m watching is doub…

I frequently have exactly the same double speed issue on YouTube, nice to know I'm not the only one
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