I’m gonna side with sama here. Toner and others who voted to fire are type of people who spend their entire career in meetings and political maneuvering and not a single day actually delivering results.
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Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting
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#52Kind of ironic that people are jumping in here to defend Sam Altman on the message board of Y Combinator, which also fired him from an executive leadership role for similar reasons.
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#54I’m gonna side with sama here. Toner and others who voted to fire are type of people who spend their entire career in meetings and political maneuvering and not a single day actually delivering results.
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governments are providing you with safe, clean water, roadways, basic standards of food safety, protection from enemies, disaster prevention and relief, and social services beyond the feasible scope of charity. They may suck at many things, but existential risk (even if just civilizational shift owing to mass-produced disinformation) is a great place to point a government at.
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#55This telling by Toner has the ring of truth to it over the reason for Sam's ouster. It matches. Whatever I think of Sam personally, I would likely have done the same thing in her shoes. The CEO lying to and deceiving the board multiple times is a pretty serious red line.
It's also a similar reason that Sam was fired from Y Combinator. None of this should be new, it's just when there's money on the line people's memories get as fuzzy as their morals.
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#56Kind of ironic that people are jumping in here to defend Sam Altman on the message board of Y Combinator, which also fired him from an executive leadership role for similar reasons.
Assuming Helen's account is fully accurate, of course.
The same person who was pushed out after her coup attempt failed. Which was very likely motivated by much more than Sam lying as she has stated in other articles about how she wants AI she regulated by gov, how GPT shouldn't have been released to the public because it's dangerous, and her interim CEO she pushed as Sams temporary replacement who made statements about wanting to pause AI development for safety reasons.
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#57Kind of ironic that people are jumping in here to defend Sam Altman on the message board of Y Combinator, which also fired him from an executive leadership role for similar reasons.
Assuming Helen's account is fully accurate, of course. The same person who was pushed out after her coup attempt failed. Which was very likely motivated by much more than Sam lying as she has stated in other articles about how she wants AI she regulated by gov, how GPT shouldn't have been released to the public because it's dangerous, and her interim CEO she pushed as Sams temporary replacement who made statements ab…
> pushed out
If what she said was true, I'd leave the board if I were in her position. I would understand why they decided to take him back but decide that it's not worth working with someone who can't be trusted.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
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governments are providing you with safe, clean water, roadways, basic standards of food safety, protection from enemies, disaster prevention and relief, and social services beyond the feasible scope of charity. They may suck at many things, but existential risk (even if just civilizational shift owing to mass-produced disinformation) is a great place to point a government at.
The issue with those things is we actually know how to measure success for most of them, and they notably work best when the politicians stay the hell out of the process other then setting broad directions.
There's no equivalent for AI research, and a lot of temptation to try and find simple metrics which mean safe - and it's appealing. Water should be below X ppm contaminant is "easy" to establish. AI should be to be safe?
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#59Kind of ironic that people are jumping in here to defend Sam Altman on the message board of Y Combinator, which also fired him from an executive leadership role for similar reasons.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
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governments are providing you with safe, clean water, roadways, basic standards of food safety, protection from enemies, disaster prevention and relief, and social services beyond the feasible scope of charity. They may suck at many things, but existential risk (even if just civilizational shift owing to mass-produced disinformation) is a great place to point a government at.
> They may suck at many things
Exactly. I gave examples of actual tech projects undertaken by governments, so an abstract discussion of "government vs. private industry" is not really on point here.