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Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by tomcam »

globular-toast wrote: post #35
tomcam wrote: post #34

I made the mistake of buying chickens as livestock. I fell in love with the day-old chicks the moment we got into the car to take them home. Plan was that 1/3 would become food, 1/3 would die of disease, and the remainder would lay eggs. Unfortunately I lost my taste for chicken. We lost 1/3 due to predators, not disease, despite building a $20,000 chicken run. I was depressed for months. And I have been through some…

A lot more people would be veggie if they had to kill the animals themselves. You just wouldn't do it unless you were really hungry, which I doubt anyone on this forum has experienced even once.

I did in fact go vegetarian after killing animals as a kid. I could do it now because I have a family.

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by lrvick »

If anyone is ever in Florida, stop by Oviedo which is home to a colony of feral chickens that sleep in the trees of the town shopping center parking lot and are found eating scraps daily at the local KFC drive through.

There is a mini documentary out there on said chickens. They are kind of the town mascots.

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by adrianN »

chrisco255 wrote: post #39
globular-toast wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot more people would be veggie if they had to kill the animals themselves. You just wouldn't do it unless you were really hungry, which I doubt anyone on this forum has experienced even once.

Not even 3 generations ago, it was incredibly common for people to slaughter their own farm animals. My grandmother was an old farm woman, raised in the time before refrigeration. She'd slaughter and pluck her own chickens without a second thought. It's entirely a modern phenomenon of global distribution and modern conditioning that lead you to that conclusion. Some animals evolved to be prey, and that is why they ha…

Three generations ago it was also common to beat your children. I’m not sure that we should base moral arguments on what was common in the past.

Re: Chickens in Trees

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adrianN wrote: post #53
chrisco255 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not even 3 generations ago, it was incredibly common for people to slaughter their own farm animals. My grandmother was an old farm woman, raised in the time before refrigeration. She'd slaughter and pluck her own chickens without a second thought. It's entirely a modern phenomenon of global distribution and modern conditioning that lead you to that conclusion. Some animals evolved to be prey, and that is why they ha…

Three generations ago it was also common to beat your children. I’m not sure that we should base moral arguments on what was common in the past.

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Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by rdlw »

interludead wrote: post #8
h2odragon wrote: post #2

The whole world is full of interesting things to see, new things to learn, if we just look. Humans are gifted at ignoring the miracles that are happening right in front of them, everyday.

The world is indeed teeming with wonders and taking the time to notice them can bring joy and fulfillment in some ways.

Cathedrals everywhere, for those with the eyes to see

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by ben_w »

ndr wrote: post #46
throwup238 wrote: post #43

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> Some animals evolved to be prey, and that is why they have an excessive number of offspring. Fowls are among those species. They lay eggs sometimes once a day so their numbers can increase incredibly rapidly. That is an adaptation to high predation. In the absence of that predation, they can overwhelm ecosystems. Red junglefowl, the ancestors to domesticated chickens, only lay a few clutches annually for a total of…

One could argue that is natural adaptation. Modern chickens are likely going to be more successful at propagating their genes into the future.

Only if you want to argue about what counts as "natural".

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by b112 »

adrianN wrote: post #53
chrisco255 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not even 3 generations ago, it was incredibly common for people to slaughter their own farm animals. My grandmother was an old farm woman, raised in the time before refrigeration. She'd slaughter and pluck her own chickens without a second thought. It's entirely a modern phenomenon of global distribution and modern conditioning that lead you to that conclusion. Some animals evolved to be prey, and that is why they ha…

Three generations ago it was also common to beat your children. I’m not sure that we should base moral arguments on what was common in the past.

No, it was not. It was common to spank your children, out of care and love, when they did things dangerous to themselves or others, and sometimes a strap or switch when something truly horrific was done.

We now view this as wrong, but that wasn't beating them.

Yes, some idiots did beat their children, or hit their children out of anger. That doesn't mean it was common.

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by najra »

adrianN wrote: post #53
chrisco255 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not even 3 generations ago, it was incredibly common for people to slaughter their own farm animals. My grandmother was an old farm woman, raised in the time before refrigeration. She'd slaughter and pluck her own chickens without a second thought. It's entirely a modern phenomenon of global distribution and modern conditioning that lead you to that conclusion. Some animals evolved to be prey, and that is why they ha…

Three generations ago it was also common to beat your children. I’m not sure that we should base moral arguments on what was common in the past.

I read parent's comments more as a counter argument to the suggestion more people would be vegetarian if they had to kill their own animals for food, not a moral justification based on "people used to do it".

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by b112 »

lrvick wrote: post #52

If anyone is ever in Florida, stop by Oviedo which is home to a colony of feral chickens that sleep in the trees of the town shopping center parking lot and are found eating scraps daily at the local KFC drive through. There is a mini documentary out there on said chickens. They are kind of the town mascots.

One case of mad chicken disease coming up, although chickens don't really need their head.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/running-ponies/meet-...

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