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Re: Windows Returns

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

flohofwoe wrote: post #30
justsomehnguy wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> those bloody useless Windows and Menu keys between the AltGr and the right Ctrl? If you didn't learn to use them for more than a quarter of century thrn it says more about you than of the usability of those keys. Maybe you are that ... person what shoves PrtScr in the place of ContextMenu on ThinkPads.

Not unusual though? FWIW I use Windows since Win95 and never use the Windows or Menu key (I typically live in the terminal, but can't imagine navigating the start menu or context menues with the keyboard).

If you “live in the terminal” it’s weird you’re using windows to begin with since 95

Re: Windows Returns

#52

Post by skeaker »

Joker_vD wrote: post #7

> introduce a new Copilot key to Windows 11 PCs. Wait, like, on the keyboards? The keyboards that already have those bloody useless Windows and Menu keys between the AltGr and the right Ctrl? Where the hell are they gonna put that new key, exactly?

Lay off of the menu key, that thing rules. Menu-A to run as admin and shift-menu F to run as different user in particular are so nice to have.

Re: Windows Returns

#53

Post by gertrunde »

integricho wrote: post #45
glimshe wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand the Windows 11 hysteria. As a long time Windows user, I did wait for Windows 11 to support the old taskbar style before upgrading, but now that it does... It's basically Windows 10 with a few new useful bells and whistles and a bunch of things that I don't care about but are trivially turned off. I'm yet to see the huge problems people talk about after using it daily for months - for me, at…

my wife is using win11 and I was checking it out from time to time. I didn't notice the taskbar is revertible to the old style, since when is that available and is that builtin or achievable with 3rd party software? most of my annoyance comes down to the increased telemetry, ads everywhere, and the overall look of the system, dumbing the UI down basically.but I do have concerns of them breaking compatibility with old…

I'm not sure I would describe it as revertible to the old style at all.

What you can do is change the alignment to the side instead of the centre.

There are still quite a few annoyances in the taskbar/start menu/system tray area, things that feel like they have changed for the worse.

Re: Windows Returns

#54

Post by 5e92cb50239222b »

integricho wrote: post #12

I wonder what route existing Windows power users should take after Windows 10 support ends next year.. I don't care about these features at all, I just need a Windows OS, bare, where I can install the tools I need, not what Microsoft thinks I need, and so it also serves as a decent, performant gaming PC. I know for the first point Linux is my obvious choice, which is totally fine, but gaming support on Linux never li…

LTSC IoT will get you to 2032, and something is likely to change by that date. Of course, if you absolutely insist on using a "genuine" license (even though we're taking about a company that has zero respect for its users — eye for an eye IMHO is a suitable option), there is no choice but listen to the overlord.

Re: Windows Returns

#55

Post by Zardoz84 »

integricho wrote: post #12

I wonder what route existing Windows power users should take after Windows 10 support ends next year.. I don't care about these features at all, I just need a Windows OS, bare, where I can install the tools I need, not what Microsoft thinks I need, and so it also serves as a decent, performant gaming PC. I know for the first point Linux is my obvious choice, which is totally fine, but gaming support on Linux never li…

> I know for the first point Linux is my obvious choice, which is totally fine, but gaming support on Linux never likely will be on par with Windows... though now that they are ruining even that with Windows 11 and likely 12, I have no idea what to do.

I keep using the last 4 or 5 years using Linux as my gaming OS (and everything). this includes AAA games, and I don't had issues. Plus, I can update my whole system at same time that I'm playing Stellaris without any issue.

Re: Windows Returns

#56

Post by Zardoz84 »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #50
glimshe wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand the Windows 11 hysteria. As a long time Windows user, I did wait for Windows 11 to support the old taskbar style before upgrading, but now that it does... It's basically Windows 10 with a few new useful bells and whistles and a bunch of things that I don't care about but are trivially turned off. I'm yet to see the huge problems people talk about after using it daily for months - for me, at…

The panic of not changing things windows users freak out about is why windows only got a filter-able task manager last year, why command prompt was garbage for decades and so on. The problem is now they’re finally changing some things that objectively sucked the ad people in the company are also along for the ride. But they always had the power to change things, now things that sucked are finally getting fixed. Prayi…

The last time that I chekeded Windows 11 was far worse that Windows 10 or 8. They are breaking the things for worse, not for better.

Re: Windows Returns

#57

Post by tom_ »

integricho wrote: post #45
glimshe wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand the Windows 11 hysteria. As a long time Windows user, I did wait for Windows 11 to support the old taskbar style before upgrading, but now that it does... It's basically Windows 10 with a few new useful bells and whistles and a bunch of things that I don't care about but are trivially turned off. I'm yet to see the huge problems people talk about after using it daily for months - for me, at…

my wife is using win11 and I was checking it out from time to time. I didn't notice the taskbar is revertible to the old style, since when is that available and is that builtin or achievable with 3rd party software? most of my annoyance comes down to the increased telemetry, ads everywhere, and the overall look of the system, dumbing the UI down basically.but I do have concerns of them breaking compatibility with old…

The task bar is still a bit limited - you can't dock it to the side of the screen, nor can you make it taller, nor (if only shown on one display) can you move it off the primary display.

Re: Windows Returns

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Post by Am4TIfIsER0ppos »

integricho wrote: post #12

I wonder what route existing Windows power users should take after Windows 10 support ends next year.. I don't care about these features at all, I just need a Windows OS, bare, where I can install the tools I need, not what Microsoft thinks I need, and so it also serves as a decent, performant gaming PC. I know for the first point Linux is my obvious choice, which is totally fine, but gaming support on Linux never li…

Keep using it. There isn't a kill switch that microsoft is going to throw on that date. Probably.

Re: Windows Returns

#59

Post by delfinom »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #50
glimshe wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand the Windows 11 hysteria. As a long time Windows user, I did wait for Windows 11 to support the old taskbar style before upgrading, but now that it does... It's basically Windows 10 with a few new useful bells and whistles and a bunch of things that I don't care about but are trivially turned off. I'm yet to see the huge problems people talk about after using it daily for months - for me, at…

The panic of not changing things windows users freak out about is why windows only got a filter-able task manager last year, why command prompt was garbage for decades and so on. The problem is now they’re finally changing some things that objectively sucked the ad people in the company are also along for the ride. But they always had the power to change things, now things that sucked are finally getting fixed. Prayi…

Personally I wonder if the loudest individuals are just on the spectrum and terrified of change. We still get abuse here and there at our OSS project because we don't support Windows XP, let alone 7.

Re: Windows Returns

#60

Post by delfinom »

anamax wrote: post #36
glimshe wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand the Windows 11 hysteria. As a long time Windows user, I did wait for Windows 11 to support the old taskbar style before upgrading, but now that it does... It's basically Windows 10 with a few new useful bells and whistles and a bunch of things that I don't care about but are trivially turned off. I'm yet to see the huge problems people talk about after using it daily for months - for me, at…

Windows 11 won't run on my current desktop. Also, Windows 10 is the last Windows OS that supports many "not subscription" services. (Desktop Quicken 2016/2017 does everything I need, so why should I pay for a subscription?)

Quicken shouldn't be able to tell the difference between 10 and 11. Especially if it's an old release. Windows 11 reports itself as Windows 10 in the win32 API and the only way to tell is to look at the "build numbers" instead of major minor. Hah.
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