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Fact checking of claims about nuclear power projects

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Re: Fact checking of claims about nuclear power projects

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Keeping distance to people under a virus pandemic is pretty much self explained. "In fact, the only real purpose the guidance served was as a justification to suppress Americans’ free speech" Says everything about that article.

> Keeping distance to people under a virus pandemic is pretty much self explained.

Self explained but not scientifically backed. Unless you can prove otherwise to the NIH legal council who testified under oath?

Re: Fact checking of claims about nuclear power projects

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Not every comment is a disagreement. You should read the link though. It’s two issues. Fact checkers are needed because of misinformation, “official sources” are spreading their own misinformation.

The Federalist isn't an official source, just a US ultra conservative rag putting spin on early reasonable statements about airbourne transmission. That whole selective quoting out of context thing is a good example of misinformation though.

Sounds to me like you are attacking the source and not the content of the article. Are you saying that he lied under oath and that there was scientific reasoning behind the social distancing directive?

Re: Fact checking of claims about nuclear power projects

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> If there's any one thing that's causing a ""decline"" in the west, it's a tolerance for fraud and failure of big projects. You should google "Tofu-Dreg". Videos are especially entertaining. That money get's stolen. You just build it cheaper, get smeared by contractors, employ slaves, etc. Also, that "tolerance" of the West is surely worth a discussion, but comparing it to the ways a dictatorship enforces their laws…

In China there is tolerance for stealing as long as the job gets done. In the USA there is tolerance for the job not getting done, but not for stealing. I used to think our system was better, but it seems like China gets more done when they accept that there will be some losses to stealing.

Turkey has had the same kind of semantics about getting things done but that recent earthquake did prove fatal though, except in one town where they didn't allow shoddy construction.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/erzin-turkey-earthquake-b...

Re: Fact checking of claims about nuclear power projects

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The Federalist isn't an official source, just a US ultra conservative rag putting spin on early reasonable statements about airbourne transmission. That whole selective quoting out of context thing is a good example of misinformation though.

Sounds to me like you are attacking the source and not the content of the article. Are you saying that he lied under oath and that there was scientific reasoning behind the social distancing directive?

He didn't lie under oath, but both you and the article are extrapolating quite a bit from the testimony of one guy who's not an authoritative source of anything, absence of evidence and all that.

The 6ft (really the 2 meter) rule didn't come from nowhere and does have research backing -- a lot of it going back to the late 1800's. Here's a great overview of the research and history surrounding it: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8504878/

Were it gets interesting is that this model of disease transmission doesn't fit covid (and might not fit anything really) but the take-away is the opposite -- that it's actually worse and that 6ft isn't enough. It would be easier to take the criticism leveled from the anti-social distancing crowd seriously if they were arguing for more distance and isolation, not less because that's just fixing wrong with different wrong.

Re: Fact checking of claims about nuclear power projects

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Prediction markets

Good answer, but isn't that a practical answer, based on consensus? Ie its what people believe is true, but might not be actually true.

They are useful for things that become less ambiguous in the future.

Re: Fact checking of claims about nuclear power projects

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In China there is tolerance for stealing as long as the job gets done. In the USA there is tolerance for the job not getting done, but not for stealing. I used to think our system was better, but it seems like China gets more done when they accept that there will be some losses to stealing.

> the USA there is tolerance for the job not getting done, but not for stealing. Well, at that level it's playing loosely with semantics.. The money didn't get pocketed directly, but it got misused to pay a vast amount of costs and salaries with no result. As there are no results, the costs covered can be considered fictional. Which brings us back to bribery and stealing..

This is exactly what I mean. Take the Obamacare exchange website for example. It cost $800 million, didn't work, and nobody got so much as fired for it because that money was wasted, not stolen, and the contract was given out in accordance to procedure. If the execs had pocketed any of that money, they would be in jail.

In China it would have been given to a friend of the bureaucrat in charge of giving out the contract, and they would know it would cost $40 million to build, but they can charge 80 and kickback 10 to the official. And more importantly, that friend would be damn sure to deliver a working website because he knows if he doesn't he will be investigated and punished for his stealing.

So while our system is less "corrupt" I guess, China gets a working website for $80 million when we get a broken one for 10x the cost.

Re: Fact checking of claims about nuclear power projects

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In China there is tolerance for stealing as long as the job gets done. In the USA there is tolerance for the job not getting done, but not for stealing. I used to think our system was better, but it seems like China gets more done when they accept that there will be some losses to stealing.

How does it help you if the job is "done" but causes a serious risk to lives? As I said: the stealing still happens. It's institutionalized in China. Your system IS better...or at least, for now. China is a dictatorship. Their way of handling "their" people is mad and dangerous. Even if you get things "done", you better be happy that you've been lucky to live in the US and not be afraid that your house may fall apart…

Is poor construction that needs to be replaced soon worse than no construction at all? I guess that's debatable, but I would have to see actual statistics on Chinese construction failure rates vs the US rather than just a general assumption that China = low quality before it is even worth considering.

Re: Fact checking of claims about nuclear power projects

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How does it help you if the job is "done" but causes a serious risk to lives? As I said: the stealing still happens. It's institutionalized in China. Your system IS better...or at least, for now. China is a dictatorship. Their way of handling "their" people is mad and dangerous. Even if you get things "done", you better be happy that you've been lucky to live in the US and not be afraid that your house may fall apart…

Is poor construction that needs to be replaced soon worse than no construction at all? I guess that's debatable, but I would have to see actual statistics on Chinese construction failure rates vs the US rather than just a general assumption that China = low quality before it is even worth considering.

> Is poor construction that needs to be replaced soon worse than no construction at all? I guess that's debatable

Replaced? I'm talking about parts of the infrastructure or housing literally falling apart and killing people. You should really follow my advice from above and google "tofu-dreg"

> but I would have to see actual statistics on Chinese construction failure rates

Just watch some of those videos where huge parts of infrastructure just collapse. Those things would have been major news for days in the whole western civilization if it'd happen in the US.

Also, how would you verify (any) statistics coming from China? A country where the whole market is based upon falsified statistics? I mean, that's nothing the regime is proud of. Why would they create true statistics about such failures?

Re: Fact checking of claims about nuclear power projects

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It really does seem relatively easy to raise money in nuclear power for making a few dubious claims about factory production, reactor performance, and delivery timeline. In the industry, we call the 10 years it takes to realize that it's a lot harder than newcomers initially think, and that the people who tried in the past didn't fail merely because they were idiots who didn't think about economics: "getting run over…

Nuclear has actually been a really hard sell for the last few decades, which is why there are so few new plants coming online. Politicians are opportunistic and short term focused. So they'll back anything that makes them look good and important during the next election cycle. Nuclear projects take too long to complete for them to be interesting. There are some brownie points of course for approving one but it's not…

Exactly right. Financialized capitalism is essentially incapable of building big things or taking care of the big things that were built in the past.

Re: Fact checking of claims about nuclear power projects

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Courts.

Is legal truth, actual truth?

It's close enough, and is good enough to generally satisfy our institutions and culture. The standard shouldn't be, and isn't, objective perfection.
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