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'I'm the new Oppenheimer ': Palantir's first-ever AI warfare conference

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Re: 'I'm the new Oppenheimer ': Palantir's first-ever AI warfare conference

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Post by croes »

legohead wrote: post #41
croes wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>if you refuse to build it, someone with less scruples will. Pretty lame excuse. If I don't sell drugs, some else will. If you're doing it, you are already the one with less scruples. Do you think the victims care about the scruples of the perpetrator?

I think it's more lame to disregard this ideology. What if Germany had the nuke first? "oh well, at least we held to our morals" There's this ideal human sociology, and then there's the reality of what we really are. It takes a unique person to accept it, and do the wrong thing for the right reason, and also be able to steer things in the eventual right direction.

How did the Atom bomb stop Nazi Germany?

And do you think dropping the bomb on Germany would have humbled them or would they seek revenge in the long term?

The bombs brought as MAD and that only works as long all parties try to stay alive and don't there is a paradise in the afterlife if they die for a holy cause.

Re: 'I'm the new Oppenheimer ': Palantir's first-ever AI warfare conference

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Post by tensor »

ninininino wrote: post #38

> “Let’s say you’re operating in a place with a lot of civilian areas, like Gaza,” I asked the engineers afterward. “Does Palantir prevent you from ‘nominating a target’ in a civilian location?” > Short answer, no. “The end user makes the decision,” the woman said. It seems to me that the author of this piece doesn't understand that any system that claimed to be able to predict civilian's and combatant's locations be…

Nothing about this is "AI controls guns/bombs/nukes." The AI simply gives predictions that humans must decide to accept or reject. And no, I don't buy at all that people on the ground in an active war scenario would have any sort of macro view at all. Without more to back it up I don't buy your claim.

Re: 'I'm the new Oppenheimer ': Palantir's first-ever AI warfare conference

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Post by buildbot »

nen-nomad wrote: post #29

> “The peace activists are war activists,” Karp insisted. “We are the peace activists.” They are literally saying, "War is Peace".

A desolation called peace

(A great phrase and book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Desolation_Called_Peace)

Re: 'I'm the new Oppenheimer ': Palantir's first-ever AI warfare conference

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Post by croes »

alan-hn wrote: post #32
croes wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>if you refuse to build it, someone with less scruples will. Pretty lame excuse. If I don't sell drugs, some else will. If you're doing it, you are already the one with less scruples. Do you think the victims care about the scruples of the perpetrator?

No the ones with less scruples are cutting the drug supply with harmful stuff including but not limited to xylazine and fentanyl/nitazene analogs

Because it much better to die from clean overdose?

That's like saying, I kill people with a clean knife, I don't want them to get an infection from a dirty blade.

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Post by unclebucknasty »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #43
nen-nomad wrote: post #29

> “The peace activists are war activists,” Karp insisted. “We are the peace activists.” They are literally saying, "War is Peace".

I could see it as saying that the peace activists are on a path that will not actually lead to peace, but rather to war, and those preparing for war are on a path that will actually lead to peace. "If you wish for peace, prepare for war" is an old way of phrasing this. It's not a new thought.

This only works when you accept the legitimacy of war as a premise.

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Post by dalore »

croes wrote: post #22
legitster wrote: post #10

Palantir's entire business model is taking on customers/projects that the rest of Silicon Valley refuses to. Not only is there an "underserved" audience, they get to charge a premium and for worse products. The irony is that this is a good reminder of the harsh realities that Oppenheimer himself clearly grappled with - if you refuse to build it, someone with less scruples will .

>if you refuse to build it, someone with less scruples will. Pretty lame excuse. If I don't sell drugs, some else will. If you're doing it, you are already the one with less scruples. Do you think the victims care about the scruples of the perpetrator?

Is that not a good excuse for drug legalisation? If drugs are illegal then we get poor-quality or adulterated drugs, leading to deaths, and funding illicit activities. If we legalise it, we get quality control and tax.

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Post by lukeschlather »

The quote in the title is totally out-of-context. It's not entirely clear but from context it sounds like Mark Milley was just laughing because he realized that he's the "new Oppenheimer" as the current director of nuclear weapons research at Los Alamos.

Re: 'I'm the new Oppenheimer ': Palantir's first-ever AI warfare conference

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Post by deadbolt »

wolverine876 wrote: post #24
justin66 wrote: post #2

Ah, British press. It's a bit sleazy the way the quote was placed in a headline above a photo of the CEO of Palantir, who is certainly a douchebag but did not compare himself to Oppenheimer. That was some other douchebag. There was some useful stuff in the article itself.

That's really looking for problems. The Palantir CEO said things much more extreme: As the moderator asked general questions about the panelists’ views on the future of war, Schmidt and Cohen answered cautiously. But Karp, who’s known as a provocateur, aggressively condoned violence, often peering into the audience with hungry eyes, palpably desperate for claps, boos or shock. He began by saying that the US has to “s…

> He said they’d have a hard time on the job market and described their views as a “pagan religion infecting our universities” and “an infection inside of our society”.

Really sounds like something right out of the mouth of a certain dead fascist

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