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Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Post by Dalewyn »

duxup wrote: post #47
Dalewyn wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of thin and performance demands only 2 USB ports? I have an M2 Macbook Air. The damn thing can fit a dozen USB ports on both sides, as far as physical space is concerned. I like its speakers and battery life, but I hate the lack of connectivity.

I really don't care about "demands". You could ask someone who knows more about the physical laptop design. That's not me. It seems strange to take issue with Dell's showboat ultrabook, for being an ultrabook, when for years (maybe longer) it has been an ultrabook with all the trade offs that come with it. Pick a different line of laptops.

Carrying around hubs and dongles defeats the very point of using a thin (read: portable) laptop. Most Windows "ultrabook" laptops have more than the Apple Certified Standard(tm) complement of connectivity. I'm using one right now, a 14" ASUS Vivobook, which has four USB ports (I wish it had more) and an HDMI port.

Adding more USB ports does not compromise the ultrabookness of a laptop. Ever. Ultrabooking is about portability, not about no motherfucking connections without motherfucking dongles.

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

#52

Post by doublepg23 »

ho_schi wrote: post #26
cjk2 wrote: post #7

Oh Dell, Windows and Qualcomm. I’d rather cut my hands off and shove the bloody stumps in a bag of salt. Have had nothing but trouble with all of them over the years.

I will not buy an device with ARM running Microsoft Windows. Ship it with Linux or we ignore it like the other devices with ARM. Windows isn’t built for ARM and the closed-source software isn’t running well or slowly on ARM. The reason to use Windows is that nothing changes and legacy software from 1988 runs like on MS-DOS. What did Qualcomm think when they signed a monopoly deal with Microsoft? That they will benefi…

Wouldn't consumer Linux running on an ARM core just be a Chromebook?

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

#53

Post by pbmonster »

bingbingbing777 wrote: post #24
pbmonster wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course not, they are APIs. And this Arm-based Dell will not be able to run many binaries compiled for 64 bit Windows or any for Mac. 32 bit Windows Apps will mostly work. Which might be pretty limiting, depending on what kind of software you run.

>32 bit Windows Apps will mostly work ... Which is Win32

Lots of x64 apps making Win32 system calls. Those tend to have more problems on Arm than the x86 apps making those calls.

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

#54

Post by duxup »

Dalewyn wrote: post #51
duxup wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't care about "demands". You could ask someone who knows more about the physical laptop design. That's not me. It seems strange to take issue with Dell's showboat ultrabook, for being an ultrabook, when for years (maybe longer) it has been an ultrabook with all the trade offs that come with it. Pick a different line of laptops.

Carrying around hubs and dongles defeats the very point of using a thin (read: portable) laptop. Most Windows "ultrabook" laptops have more than the Apple Certified Standard(tm) complement of connectivity. I'm using one right now, a 14" ASUS Vivobook, which has four USB ports (I wish it had more) and an HDMI port. Adding more USB ports does not compromise the ultrabookness of a laptop. Ever. Ultrabooking is about por…

So why would you even look at the XPS line?

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Post by eigenspace »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #48
ho_schi wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will not buy an device with ARM running Microsoft Windows. Ship it with Linux or we ignore it like the other devices with ARM. Windows isn’t built for ARM and the closed-source software isn’t running well or slowly on ARM. The reason to use Windows is that nothing changes and legacy software from 1988 runs like on MS-DOS. What did Qualcomm think when they signed a monopoly deal with Microsoft? That they will benefi…

I agree this is a prime moment for Linux on the desktop to shine, but so has the last 10 years of windows destroying its UI and backwards compatibility. ...I have no faith.

> ...I have no faith.

You don't need faith, you just need to look around: It's already shining!

Support for Linux in consumer software applications and devices has improved a huge amount over just the past few years. Using a Linux desktop in 2024 is not a second class experience at all anymore.

Sure the userbase is still quite small relative to Windows and MacOS, but in absolute numbers it's still a huge population of users, and it's also growing very fast. That combined with the fact that supporting Linux is typically quite easy means that more and more vendors are supporting it, which is creating a positive feedback loop by enticing more users.

No need for pessimism here.

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Post by ho_schi »

high_na_euv wrote: post #34
ho_schi wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will not buy an device with ARM running Microsoft Windows. Ship it with Linux or we ignore it like the other devices with ARM. Windows isn’t built for ARM and the closed-source software isn’t running well or slowly on ARM. The reason to use Windows is that nothing changes and legacy software from 1988 runs like on MS-DOS. What did Qualcomm think when they signed a monopoly deal with Microsoft? That they will benefi…

Yea, lets start with tiny userbase of vocal nerds who cant even agree on how to do gui / package management instead of the OS with majority of market share and giant userbase 90s are over, it is time to move on and stop EEEing everywhere

That’s not correct and the Steamdeck proofs it :)

The manufacturers are always the key. What ships pre-installed and/or runs well after setup matters. Thats why ThinkPads run so well with Linux. ThinkPads are certified for Linux or even ship readily with Fedora or Ubuntu.

That I’m using Arch and using mostly the TTY isn’t an issue. It doesn’t matter that the next user prefers GNOME and Fedora. Because we’ve settled for compatibility and not incompatibility through Windows or MacOS. The rest is just our personal choice. How cares if we run SysVInit or Systemd? Only the user.

PS: Applies also to Dells Developer Edition Laptops.

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Post by guesswho_ »

ho_schi wrote: post #26
cjk2 wrote: post #7

Oh Dell, Windows and Qualcomm. I’d rather cut my hands off and shove the bloody stumps in a bag of salt. Have had nothing but trouble with all of them over the years.

I will not buy an device with ARM running Microsoft Windows. Ship it with Linux or we ignore it like the other devices with ARM. Windows isn’t built for ARM and the closed-source software isn’t running well or slowly on ARM. The reason to use Windows is that nothing changes and legacy software from 1988 runs like on MS-DOS. What did Qualcomm think when they signed a monopoly deal with Microsoft? That they will benefi…

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Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Post by guesswho_ »

ho_schi wrote: post #26
cjk2 wrote: post #7

Oh Dell, Windows and Qualcomm. I’d rather cut my hands off and shove the bloody stumps in a bag of salt. Have had nothing but trouble with all of them over the years.

I will not buy an device with ARM running Microsoft Windows. Ship it with Linux or we ignore it like the other devices with ARM. Windows isn’t built for ARM and the closed-source software isn’t running well or slowly on ARM. The reason to use Windows is that nothing changes and legacy software from 1988 runs like on MS-DOS. What did Qualcomm think when they signed a monopoly deal with Microsoft? That they will benefi…

Cursing windows is a classic fashion. Come on, be happy that the os exits and maintained.

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Post by guesswho_ »

ho_schi wrote: post #26
cjk2 wrote: post #7

Oh Dell, Windows and Qualcomm. I’d rather cut my hands off and shove the bloody stumps in a bag of salt. Have had nothing but trouble with all of them over the years.

I will not buy an device with ARM running Microsoft Windows. Ship it with Linux or we ignore it like the other devices with ARM. Windows isn’t built for ARM and the closed-source software isn’t running well or slowly on ARM. The reason to use Windows is that nothing changes and legacy software from 1988 runs like on MS-DOS. What did Qualcomm think when they signed a monopoly deal with Microsoft? That they will benefi…

Get a chromebook.

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Post by shrubble »

eigenspace wrote: post #31
shrubble wrote: post #20

If it can't run Linux or the *BSDs, it's a closed device no different than a cell phone.

Qualcomm posted an article to their blog recently about their efforts to upstream support for their processor to the Linux kernel: https://www.qualcomm.com/developer/blog/2024/05/upstreaming-... Only time will tell how good the support is, but it's at least a start.

That is great news, and very encouraging! Of course the bootloader / boot process has to be able to be modified as well; we'll see how good/bad Dell does with that.
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